New Build Approx. £2500 Budget

tamzzy said:
i'm still astounded as to how quiet it is lol
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The other stick died? :D

Although, from your fan setup (CPU) it shows how subjective relative silence is. But, it has been a detail of my personal builds since i started to balance my clocks with relative silence (hence my leanings towards large bricks and shying away from AIO).

Interested to see your temps and curve when you have a decent amount of TIM spread on it - as looks promising.
 
Evening all.

Daughter has had clicking hips since birth. Now 2 and finally getting looked at. Luckily enough to have private medical with work but can't do anything till docs gives a reference... Been on at them and child health workers but nothing until now .

@Plec @tamzzy I wouldn't be surprised if they start greening out @Journey with just posting a list and final prices as they deem that against the rules .
I think I mentioned that OCUK was more then rivals by a LOT, and that got removed for 9700k .
Or was it that I mentioned that I've contacted companies to try and have resellers double check their over priced pricing.

This will make you guys laugh, OCUK actually managed to **** off Samsung UK and EU . Can't post reason why but my god I never thought they'd be that dumb .

I think 3700x with PBO and XFR hits ober 95w and more like 130w . AMD aren't as bad with TDP listing but stil not wholly honest

Still with 2070 super or 2080ti . Either gonna walk into the bar and get the value meal deal with a pint , or your going to be the one that buys all the shots for everyone. 2080 super is like the guy that gets the first round in but has done it at the cheapest bar to save cash yet look good
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Daughter has had clicking hips since birth. Now 2 and finally getting looked at. Luckily enough to have private medical with work but can't do anything till docs gives a reference... Been on at them and child health workers but nothing until now .
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Ah, makes sense, hope the treatment doesn't prove to be too involved. Always a worry - spent a lot of early years with one of ours in Bristol (won't share details - but appreciate it can be a worry no matter what the condition)

orbitalwalsh said:
Still with 2070 super or 2080ti . Either gonna walk into the bar and get the value meal deal with a pint , or your going to be the one that buys all the shots for everyone. 2080 super is like the guy that gets the first round in but has done it at the cheapest bar to save cash yet look good
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A card with free drinks - a promotion i can get on board with (feeding @tamzzy's imaginary version of me as a hardened drinker. Although, roll on Friday...)
 
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Plec said:
(at least when @tamzzy has read it)
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read.
no medical advice so i'll keep schtum.

orbitalwalsh said:
I think 3700x with PBO and XFR hits ober 95w and more like 130w . AMD aren't as bad with TDP listing but stil not wholly honest
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3700x doesn't really need PBO, not that ryzen 3000 can boost that much anyway lol.
PB2 is enough and i think it'll keep to 88w for a 65w chip

The constraints are as follows:
  • Package Power Tracking (PPT): The power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket.
    • This is 88W for 65W TDP processors, and 142W for 105W TDP processors.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/19
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Evening all.

Daughter has had clicking hips since birth. Now 2 and finally getting looked at. Luckily enough to have private medical with work but can't do anything till docs gives a reference... Been on at them and child health workers but nothing until now .

@Plec @tamzzy I wouldn't be surprised if they start greening out @Journey with just posting a list and final prices as they deem that against the rules .
I think I mentioned that OCUK was more then rivals by a LOT, and that got removed for 9700k .
Or was it that I mentioned that I've contacted companies to try and have resellers double check their over priced pricing.

This will make you guys laugh, OCUK actually managed to **** off Samsung UK and EU . Can't post reason why but my god I never thought they'd be that dumb .

I think 3700x with PBO and XFR hits ober 95w and more like 130w . AMD aren't as bad with TDP listing but stil not wholly honest

Still with 2070 super or 2080ti . Either gonna walk into the bar and get the value meal deal with a pint , or your going to be the one that buys all the shots for everyone. 2080 super is like the guy that gets the first round in but has done it at the cheapest bar to save cash yet look good
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Finally an analogy to help explain it to us simpletons. I've been all of the above :D so it does give food (or drink) for thought. Again, best wishes to you and the little one.

@tamzzy Not really sure what PBO is so this goes over my head again.

As an aside: I found a cheaper Dark Rock Pro elsewhere, but it doesn't explicitly mention that it comes with it. I'm guessing if it arrives without it I will need to delay the build until it arrives?
 
PhilipOmnis said:
As an aside: I found a cheaper Dark Rock Pro elsewhere, but it doesn't explicitly mention that it comes with it. I'm guessing if it arrives without it I will need to delay the build until it arrives?
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If you're going for a Ryzen 7 3700X, it comes with a stock cooler in the box which you can use until your chosen after market cooler arrives.
 
tamzzy said:
don't need to worry about it. once it's built, just leave the cpu to do its own thing.
think of PBO as a stage 2 tune. it's not enabled by default and it doesn't do much for ryzen 3000 cpus (yet)
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Seems friends BPO worked well with all core, 4.2ghz Al cores but 4.2ghz on single core ... from 4.4ghz advertised

Dark rock 4 is nice without going the Hugeness of Pro version
 
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Well everyone, it's buy week. While I'm sure this is an every day occurrence for you this has been a pretty big deal over here. I wanted to offer another big thanks, you've all been awesomely helpful. I'm staring at the final builds. We have the final build as discussed by all of us progressively:

PhilipOmnis said:
My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £1,944.62 (includes shipping: £14.70)
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And of course, 32GB Ballistix Sport blah blah.
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Buying through various sources puts me at £2009.10

This is the most likely build to go for. A little part of me is ever so slightly worried that now is my only shot at this and with that in mind...

orbitalwalsh said:
@PhilipOmnis

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,565.49 (includes shipping: £12.60)
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I've amended this build slightly to be an 850W PSU, the Ballistix RAM, 2TB SSD and the P600S Silent Tower bringing me to £2796.04.

Obviously above budget, and not including a monitor as discussed. I'm sat with both builds in a basket and watching the clock tick down. The merit of the cheaper build is that while it is still respectable I can squeeze a monitor as well. The merit of the latter build is that I'm making full use of my budget for the PC. Obviously the cons of dropping all that money on a build that has a shelf-life of 6 months is somewhat is plentiful as well. At the end of the day I'm a grown adult and will have to make this decision myself but if anyone has any last minute sage words, please let me know. :D
 
PhilipOmnis said:
but if anyone has any last minute sage words, please let me know. :D
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I'll repeat myself for fear of being drowned out by all the posts, forget the expensive build, go with the cheaper one, drop the 2080 Super and get a normal 2080, save another almost £180-200 for the lost of a couple of % difference.
 
Journey said:
I'll repeat myself for fear of being drowned out by all the posts, forget the expensive build, go with the cheaper one, drop the 2080 Super and get a normal 2080, save another almost £180-200 for the lost of a couple of % difference.
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there you go journey. requoted for truth ;)
 
Not read the full thread, but if you want to save money anywhere, I'd stick with the 3700X CPU and P400 Air case.

GPU wise, personally I'd go for a 2070 Super - looking at benchmarks across the interwebs and YouTube, the performance difference is neglible for the extra £ being demanded - also saves you hundreds of £££.

PSU wise, you would be lucky to even get close to 750W, let alone 850W. :p

Just my 2p
 
Journey said:
I'll repeat myself for fear of being drowned out by all the posts, forget the expensive build, go with the cheaper one, drop the 2080 Super and get a normal 2080, save another almost £180-200 for the lost of a couple of % difference.
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tamzzy said:
there you go journey. requoted for truth ;)
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2070 super or 2080ti @PhilipOmnis

if your shopping around * mods - OP mentioned this not me so dont get funny* - X470 AORUS 7 and have it flashed via Gigabyte if it hasnt had latest bios. Inbetween X570 Aorus Elite and Pro in terms of VRM power but 8 layer PCB and wifi is handy . board can handle 4200hz overclock if your a benching animal just fine thanks to the PCB but dont think you'll be after this. also better then most X570 and B450 boards easily.

if you are going Ultra wide 1440p then slight bump of the rtx 2080 will help and 2080ti naturally if you just want an animal of a system!

do you really need 12 cores ?????

will tread slightly carefully on this bit. for Gaming 3600x beats 2700x at default. less cores, better IPC and speed , even with games like like cores like BFV . through more cores at the situation isn't always the solution- for gaming aways. Intels 10th Gen is an animal and even some reps have hinted at it . 'Leaks' and 'Testing' shows their 4 core to equal 8 core clock for clock due to improvements . and then... theirs AMD 4*** 7nm EUV, which should be close to intels 10nm - have a feeling 5nm will be a better match for it so personally looking forward to AM* and DDR5 vs intels Second 10nm CPU

2070 super can bring you down nicely to 550/650w PSU too :D
 
You guys provide sagely levels of advice. I was so preoccupied with whether or not I could, I didn’t stop to think if I should. ;)

I'm still not entirely convinced by a GPU downgrade. While I love that you guys are trying to save me money (I really do) we could keep winding ourselves backwards on best value for money until I end up with something more mid-range (not my original intention). I'm not made of money though, so I really am thankful for your help in this. I'm still sat on the fence about the GPU and that's my final frontier. I'm staring at benchmarks with an aching head. On the one hand, I want performance and I'm willing to pay for it. But as we've established there comes a point where the value just doesn't get beaten by the performance. While I'd love the flexibility to play at 4K, I'm not sure from looking at the benchmarks how feasible that is even on the 2080 Super (doing better than 2070 of course.) Perhaps it is a pipedream. I didn't spend too much time looking into feasibility of monitors however you guys have recommended some 1440p monitors, as the sweet spot of gaming at the moment. So I'll pose one last question to you guys before I take the plunge. Considering I likely won't have the flexibility to upgrade in the distant future or start new irrelevant of the build I walk home with this week; do I settle for the 2070 Super and it's confident 1440p, or saddle up for the 2080 Super or similar, to give me that minor edge in potential longevity?

If I do look at a 2070 Super Overclockers seems to be a strong point for grabbing one as they're not in immediate stock in many places. Any recommendations on which one (they come at varying price points so I'm unsure, though I was looking at https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1b4-gi.html)

Again, you guys have been great. I honestly can't believe how much I've learned since I started this thread and apologies for milking it so long!

Also, a quick side note as this will be my first home build: protection for ESD, yay or nay? Recommendations? Gonna probably just grab some cable ties otherwise.

Cheers all!
 
just dont forget to claim extra r warranty! gigabyte arent as bad as Zotac if you miss the 30 day deadline but you cant take the Micheal and register it 6 months down the line etc :)

ever generation of GPU released, I fear AMD and NVidia are one step closer to removing AIB products - their margin for GPUs already at signal digit numbers.

i;ve been lucky with static - and thats with kids handling products across a rug with socks on , but wrist strap attached to radiator or case is handy . my son also likes dropping every component. Bequiet makes one of the biggest PSUs you can get.. also makes one of the biggest dents in laminated flooring - 12mm thick flooring :(
 
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Yhowever you guys have recommended some 1440p monitors, as the sweet spot of gaming at the moment. So I'll pose one last question to you guys before I take the plunge. Considering I likely won't have the flexibility to upgrade in the distant future or start new irrelevant of the build I walk home with this week; do I settle for the 2070 Super and it's confident 1440p, or saddle up for the 2080 Super or similar, to give me that minor edge in potential longevity?
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If you're 16:9 1440p panel, personally i would stick with the 2070Super - and the Gigabyte Gaming is a solid choice with its warranty and UK RMA.

If you're considering UltraWide 1440p then, as you have the cash, I agree with @orbitalwalsh, a bump up to the RTX 2080 (non Super) would help, marginal but it all helps the higher res you go.

But, if you have the means - fill your boots. I'm not rich but will still occasionally buy needless quality/power/aesthetic if i want it - even knowing i may get very little performance reward for my spending. This forum is very much do what i say not what i do - we all have our luxuries :D But, the aim is get members the best bang for their buck - if money isn't an issue then obviously no harm in being a bit frivolous once the basis of the build is sorted...

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Also, a quick side note as this will be my first home build: protection for ESD, yay or nay? Recommendations? Gonna probably just grab some cable ties otherwise.
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No need - ground yourself before build, touch an exposed bit of radiator (i.e. not painted), and occasionally throughout the build - if you're concerned - to discharge yourself.
 
Just as a for the record, the exorbitant (almost) £2800 build. Yay or nay? Any alterations anyone can think of? Thanks again for the help guys. Either going for the 2070 Super or 2080 after I've researched ultra wide. And may just make a midlife crisis decision and get the Ti build at the last second.

EDIT: Also a side note I really did neglect to mention that I'm facepalming over right now. I'm a semi professional streamer so the performance is additionally quite important. And also a business expense as it's investing in the stream further.
 
semi pro streamer.... would have just gone 1440p 165hz and 2080ti !

12 cores and x570 ultra to keep costs down or even the Pro


heck, 9900k overclocked to 5ghz !

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if your looking to claw max FPS for ourself as well as high quality stream for viewer

if you record and then edit, ryzen 12 core gets the nudge ahead and a few fps lost

more detailed video of streaming performance , including nvidia


note they are using 2080ti above ^^^ going 2070 super most likely 9900k will be faster for streaming .
might find you go 3700x and 2080ti as i mentioned before hand ....
 
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