Beggers in Leeds

Caracus2k said:
You don't need a 165% rise in immigration to give you a 165% rise in rough sleepers....

I know figures and stats aren't a socialists stong points but if a disproportionate amount of the immigrants coming are beggars then you can see a wild increase in begging numbers.

Given that 31% of all London rough sleepers are from 'Central Europe' its a fair assumption that a disproportionate amount of eu migrants are indeed rough sleepers as 31% of the overall population of London aren't from Central Europe.

The socialists consistently destroy the economy and run out of other people's money to steal....the poor then starve

You are not compassionate, you are immoral, we can all remember 'the socialist' (Corbyn) gushing over how Venezuela was an example of how a countrty could be run to the benefit of the poor.

Professional eastern/central European beggars are far from a London exclusive phenomenon and London by its size, location and status accounts for a considerable chunk of overall homelessness figures
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So there's been a 165% increase in the last 10 years of migrant beggars? hahahaha yeah alright - You sound ridiculous.

The Tories are worse with money than the labour party. So here's those figures that socialists are so poor with: https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog...-created-two-thirds-of-the-uks-national-debt/

I don't give a **** about Corbyn either, you're the one who's banging on about Corbyn. I just said that if you think Corbyn wouldn't spend more on social services, like you suggested, then you're mistaken; as you are about everything else.

B@
 
I love Britain I miss it so much :p

I can actually see it turning into a ******** from here. Next step chlorinated KFC.
 
B@Th*nG said:
So there's been a 165% increase in the last 10 years of migrant beggars? hahahaha yeah alright - You sound ridiculous.
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I don't think there are any reliable figures for 'beggars but if we are talking about 'rough sleepers' the govement only started collecting figures in 2016 re the nationality of rough sleepers in England and the latest figures published are from August of 2018 in that time (2 years from the 1st figures) there was over a 46% increase in the amount of rough sleepers from the EU despite the UK having decided to leave the EU in 2016 which we were told was reducing the numbers of EU migrants overall....

So a 165% increase over a decade doesn't sound that unlikely now does it if we had over 46% in two despite eu migrantion apparently declining overall in the two years quoted?

Rough Sleeping Statistics Autumn 2016, England

Of the 4,134 rough sleepers counted in autumn 2016:

714 (17%) of rough sleepers were EU nationals from outside the UK

This year, for the first time, this statistical release includes some basic demographic information about those found sleeping rough, covering gender, age and nationality.
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Rough Sleeping Statistics Autumn 2018, England

The total number of people counted or estimated to be sleeping rough on a single night was 4,677.

The number of EU nationals (non-UK) sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 was 1,048 (22% of the total).
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Caracus2k said:
I don't think there are any reliable figures for 'beggars' but if we are talking about 'rough sleepers' the govement only started collecting figures in 2016 re the nationality of rough sleepers in England and the latest figures published are from August of 2018 in that time (2 years from the 1st figures) there was over a 68% increase in the amount of rough sleepers from the EU....deapitebis having cited to leave the EU which we were told was reducing the numbers of eu migrants

So a 165% increase over a decade doesn't sound that unlikely now does it if we had over 68% in two despite eu migrantion apparently declining overall in the two years quoted?

Rough Sleeping Statistics Autumn 2018, England

The total number of people counted or estimated to be sleeping rough on a single night was 4,677.

The number of EU nationals (non-UK) sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 was 1,048 (22% of the total).
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Rough Sleeping Statistics Autumn 2018, England

The total number of people counted or estimated to be sleeping rough on a single night was 4,677.

The number of EU nationals (non-UK) sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 was 1,048 (22% of the total).
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• 64% were UK nationals, compared to 71% in 2017. 22% were EU nationals from outside the UK, compared to 16% in 2017. 3% were non-EU nationals, compared to 4% in 2017.
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- That's a 37.5% increase just of e.u nationals in 2 years, not 68%. and it actually went DOWN from 17% to 16% between 2016 and 2017.

- There were 1,768 sleeping rough in 2010, there are 4,677 now. That means E.U. Nationals would have to make up the VAST majority of those on the street for them to be responsible for a 165% increase.

I thought it was the socialists who couldn't do statistics.

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Malevolence said:
Far-right? Jesus wept, you people really do make me laugh.
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You really haven’t been round long enough have you? In the old days we had mods opening threads like “why do pakis smell so much?” And “Can we not just send all the darkies back home?” It was very very right wing back then, one of the most right wing in the country.

In fact lots of people refused to shop at ocuk because of the forums.

Nowadays it’s tamed down a lot . Thank god.
 
Strange thread this. First page was mostly discussing beggars in their cities then after that it became a slinging match of far right, leavers labels, Brexit, vermin talk and the overall Brexit rant thread.
 
Yawn, another thread trashed by the same old people that if you dont think like me and/or agree with me then you must be X ,Y, Z
 
malachi said:
They are not homeless, they are beggars. There is a difference, actual homeless people you don't really see on the streets because they seek help and get it.
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Up Hanley (duck) 99.9% of them are street drinkers, junkies and spiceheads. The place is literally infested with them, no matter where you turn there's always a group of them up to no good. There used to be two pubs, The Burton Stores and Franky's Bar, that kept them off the streets during the day, but ever since the council forced them to close it's got horrendous.

One group in particular, who doss about outside the Waterstones book shop have nasty habit of hacking up all manner of crap from their lungs and grotting it at people who ignore them when asked for money. And guess what the police do? Yep, that's right - nothing at all. They simply chat with them as if they're old mates.
 
Malevolence said:
Up Hanley (duck) 99.9% of them are street drinkers, junkies and spiceheads. The place is literally infested with them, no matter where you turn there's always a group of them up to no good. There used to be two pubs, The Burton Stores and Franky's Bar, that kept them off the streets during the day, but ever since the council forced them to close it's got horrendous.

One group in particular, who doss about outside the Waterstones book shop have nasty habit of hacking up all manner of crap from their lungs and grotting it at people who ignore them when asked for money. And guess what the police do? Yep, that's right - nothing at all. They simply chat with them as if they're old mates.
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They should make it illegal to beg like in some countries.
 
Vanilla said:
You cannot perform a citizens arrest. Citizens arrests are for serious crimes that would be referred to the crown court. Begging is what? a fine?
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Almost right. It needs to be an offence which could be tried at Crown Court, otherwise called indictable offences. s24a PACE arrests (otherwise known as citizens arrests) can only be done for indictable offences.

Begging is a summary only offence but it seems that it's arrestable by anyone, due to preserved powers... :/

Edit: So this is actually interesting and something I didn't know before. Normally a summary only offence is only arrestable by a constable, but all offences under the Vagrancy Act 1824 are arrestable by anyone as s26 of PACE 1984 didn't repeal s6 which gives that power and this was affirmed by case law in Gapper v C.C. of Avon & Somerset 1998. So yeah. Who knew?

Edit2: I think I misinterpreted that. Summary only, not suitable for citizen's arrest.
 
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B@Th*nG said:
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I corrected my post well before you posted your response....

Maybe quote the actual figures that were displayed in the post on show (and well before) when you reply in future?

If there were 1048 EU national rough sleepers in autumn of 2018 and 714 in Autumn of 2016 then the calculation to work out the percentage increase in EU national rough sleepers from autumn 2016 to 2018 is as follows...

1048 - 714= 334 more EU national rough sleepers in Autumn 2018 vs 2016

(334 divided by 714) x 100 gives you the percentage increase from Autumn 2016 to 2018 which is 46.78% (rounded to two decimal places) which is the figure I used to say 'over 46%' in my post


This figure was shown well before you posted your reply as can be seen by anyone viewing the forum.
 
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