England Riots and food shortages.

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vanillaface said:
I like this Brexit thing, because it's exposed just how corrupt our system is, for all to see.
And yet....... people keep on voting for the people who are harming them.

Representative democracy doesn't work, does it?
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Two thirds of parliament are loyal to the EU so what does that tell you, they are and have been representing the EU's interest not ours (the sovereign people of the United Kingdom).

We're still waiting on a "peoples vote" on whether we want to join the EU as a post-national political structure.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I will start and be your dictator. Everyone who voted leave take a jump off the White Cliffs of Dover.

What? You want Dictatorship right? :D
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As I said, a dictatorship without socialists.

If we could have one which guaranteed free speech and served the people, protected the land, nature, the animals, our history and traditions, then we'd be better off than we are now.

Representative democracy relies upon an electorate which is not only knowledgeable, but which has high moral standards.
What that has meant for us is that it is a series of parties trying to out-bribe the electorate with their own money, which has led to globalist soft-dictatorship.
 
mmj_uk said:
Two thirds of parliament are loyal to the EU so what does that tell you, they are and have been representing the EU's interest not ours (the sovereign people of the United Kingdom).
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The rot set in a hundred years ago, but I don't know if you are old enough to have noticed changes over the last few decades.
After the Iron Curtain came down, the commies in the West came out of the woodwork and have spent their time since trying to do as much damage as they can.
In the Cold War, the West won in the East, but the East won in the West.
 
vanillaface said:
As I said, a dictatorship without socialists.
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I am the dictator, I make the rule.

Off to Dover you go.

Side note, no socialist means goodbye to the NHS, you got to start paying for schools and goodbye to your state pension and council houses and benefits.
 
mmj_uk said:
Two thirds of parliament are loyal to the EU so what does that tell you, they are and have been representing the EU's interest not ours (the sovereign people of the United Kingdom).

We're still waiting on a "peoples vote" on whether we want to join the EU as a post-national political structure.
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They are representing themselves. Most are involed with multinational corporations, so they like the EU.

They dont give a crap about the public or they wouldnt be giving themselves huge pay rises every year. Then there is the whole expenses thing, which is still going on. Apparently Corbyn had his suspended for abusing it, the so called people's man.
 
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Minstadave said:
A riot you say?

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Could trigger one in Brighton if enough upper class men were to do that on various benches... the reaction from the tolerant Green Party MP was pure fury.

I'm sure their proud that her main contribution to an important national issue was to have a pop at how someone was sitting... almost as significant a contribution as her proposal for an all women cabinet albeit one made up exclusively of white women... oops.
 
vanillaface said:
There's no such thing as a "no deal Brexit". It's just speaking in code.

There's leaving the EU and not leaving the EU.
Any deals (treaties) or not_deals are separate from that.

When they say, "we don't want to leave without a deal", what they really mean is, "we don't want to leave the EU."

The way to leave the EU is to.......... leave the EU......... then afterwards, it may or may not be possible to negotiate a trade agreement, as long as this agreement benefits the UK and doesn't take us back into the EU.
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Eh? there are two ways to leave with an agreed withdrawal or without - with some kind of transitional agreement to move from current deals to a new system in as managed and smooth a manner as possible or with the abrupt ending of current deals without immediate replacements to hand and resetting to default trading standard (which almost no country does for very good reason).

mmj_uk said:
Probably, Brexiteers won't be happy about Democracy being betrayed and Remainers won't be happy about not getting their own way, much like their beloved EU's definition of Democracy they want to just ignore the people.

It still makes me laugh that remainers think (or I'll be generous pretend to think) we can get a deal when they keep trying to extend and take no deal off the table, if you walk into any negotiation and the other side knows that you won't leave without a deal you're going to get absolutely mugged. Any 5 year old should be able to understand that. I think remainers are just doing whatever they can to overturn the Democratic vote rather than be that stupid though, dangerous rather.
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The chance for this was gone almost immediately - with the way TM approached it the upper hand was quickly lost and now the EU has had a couple of years to prepare (and unlike the shambles in this country they have done so) - playing hardball now and they'll just say go on then... might as well abandon the whole thing. The chance has long ago slipped through this country's fingers.
 
Presently, despite the bickering going on in the background and currency rates, people have gone about their business largely unaffected by the proceedings. However, if and as and when it hits peoples pockets, then people may get a best restless.
 
Stop believing media exagerrations.
psd99 said:
Are we going to end up with civil unrest? Rioting and food shortages?

what does everyone think will happen over the next couple of months?
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Dear God, man. You're an Englishman - start acting like one and stop panicking.
 
mmj_uk said:
Two thirds of parliament are loyal to the EU so what does that tell you, they are and have been representing the EU's interest not ours (the sovereign people of the United Kingdom).
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So it would be in our interests to leave with no deal?
 
Rroff said:
Eh? there are two ways to leave with an agreed withdrawal or without - with some kind of transitional agreement to move from current deals to a new system in as managed and smooth a manner as possible or with the abrupt ending of current deals without immediate replacements to hand and resetting to default trading standard (which almost no country does for very good reason).
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No.
Leaving the EU is a separate thing from the trading relationship we will have with them afterwards.
For example, if you left a job, your employment status afterwards would be a separate thing from you leaving that job.

The reason that deal/no deal has been attached to leaving the EU, is to try and stop us leaving the EU.
"We can't leave without deal" = "we can't leave the EU".

UKIP had the best answer to this, which of course is why they were attacked relentlessly: leave the EU, THEN negotiate with them to see if they want free trade with us.
 
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