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You really love AMD or maybe just hate intel, but lets not get bogged down into more personal, passionate rants - I dont need to be won over, all i know is how my experience has been vs friends who had issues or couldn't rival - if intel arnt up to it any more *shrugg* fudge 'em

Thank you to everyone whos posted to help me make my decision on the full build, this is definitely helping to open my eyes.

My intel/nvidia bias was due to the build i made in 2007, or around then. I built and overclocked a first gen i7 to 3.2ghz 4 cores 8 threads, 6 gig on triple channel memory and (at the time) the real star of the show; an intel 32gig extreme ssd, with 3 GFX card upgrades ending with a gtx 970. This machine lasted 10 years! Now that machines deader than montys parrot. Im trying to replicate a similarly lasting machine, fast, upgradable, super reliable, super stable. When you drive a car with a track record like that you tend to develop a brand trust.

If its time to crack the knuckles, read more material and switch to AMD then perhaps, so be it, i feel that after some pretty provocative posts i can sense the tension, im not an idiot ive just been out of the game for a while, pun intended.
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So the 500gb m.2 SSD might be over kill, but for £110 that'll last a few months before im crying out for more space - I love a fast desktop experience and i do dabble with photoshop and making videos, this while not in a professional manner, having a quick chip/memory and HDD is going to be a requirement.

Im not interested in saving £10 here and £20 there on the other parts - obviously CPU, memory and mobo is a large chunk and easily the focus of my build here.

games today may not need more than 4 cores, but since im intending to drop a modern card into the PC in a few years to game at 4k smoothly its got to have some fairly serious grunt.

EsaT/others - would you recommend a cpu/memory/motherboard combo that would rival or stomp on i5 9600k(at 4.9 ghz)/Z390/x16gb 3000mhz please? @£586

Free delivery for forum spammers? for all the times ive bought from OCUK or pushed others in their direction i deserve a little love too - but hey ho thats life do or do not theres not try. to hell with brexit (no good forum battle misses some politics).
 
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BigNBackITG said:
EsaT/others - would you recommend a cpu/memory/motherboard combo that would rival or stomp on i5 9600k(at 4.9 ghz)/Z390/x16gb 3000mhz please? @£586
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £519.97 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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I'd go for this with the budget you have, although you could also go for the 3600 and save a fair bit:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £384.97 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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Either will have better longevity than any Intel solutions par going for a 9900K, which would defeat your problem of avoiding hot chips and the resulting noise. You'd also be looking at much higher power use should you opt for such a cpu.

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So the 500gb m.2 SSD might be over kill, but for £110 that'll last a few months before im crying out for more space - I love a fast desktop experience and i do dabble with photoshop and making videos, this while not in a professional manner, having a quick chip/memory and HDD is going to be a requirement.
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As discussed earlier, google Sabrent Rocket and you could retain the speeds of your initial drive while double the size.
 
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BigNBackITG said:
So the 500gb m.2 SSD might be over kill, but for £110 that'll last a few months before im crying out for more space - I love a fast desktop experience and i do dabble with photoshop and making videos, this while not in a professional manner, having a quick chip/memory and HDD is going to be a requirement.
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sabrent rocket 1tb for the same price would be the better choice. samsung nvme ssd is overpriced in comparison
and also if you're dabbling in photoshop and video editing more cores and threads is a must...means that the i5 9600k is the wrong choice to begin with

photoshop cpu comparison: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...adripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1529/
premiere pro cpu comparison: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...adripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1535/

sabrent rocket compared to the competition:
(long winded video, but well worth the watch - skip to 17:30 onwards)

@Gray2233
i wouldn't spec those ram as it's slower than a turd (3200c18)

@BigNBackITG
my 2p, i don't care if you take the advice or not, as it's your money to waste (and thankfully not mine)

ryzen 3700x
msi b450 tomahawk max
crucial ballistix LT 3200c16 2x16gb
sabrent rocket 1tb
 
tamzzy said:
@BigNBackITG
my 2p, i don't care if you take the advice or not, as it's your money to waste (and thankfully not mine)

ryzen 3700x
msi b450 tomahawk max
crucial ballistix LT 3200c16 2x16gb
sabrent rocket 1tb
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Hey man im cool, im just interested in the facts and so i want to hear as many as i can from anyone with the experience. Theres no gold stars for good advice if i take it or not, just a OCUK customer wanting the best bang for his quid.

All this talk about the Ryzen 7 3700x is encouraging though it certainly in my price range, i haven't overclocked an AMD for so so long, will i even need to OC it?
 
BigNBackITG said:
Theres no gold stars for good advice if i take it or not
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tamzzy said:
i don't care if you take the advice or not
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BigNBackITG said:
OCUK customer wanting the best bang for his quid.
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best bang-for-buck is to shop around ;) not just sticking to ocuk

BigNBackITG said:
i haven't overclocked an AMD for so so long, will i even need to OC it?
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no. ryzen has it's own boosting mechanisms, so manual overclocking only yields minimal gains, and these are on heavily multithreaded workloads only
 
tamzzy said:
3800c16 ;)
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33017708/

i've got the 2x16gb sticks and these are amazing value
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Jeeesus, that is impressive.

Last time I saw RAM that good was the old ass Samsung Green 30nm in the DDR3 days!

BigNBackITG said:
All this talk about the Ryzen 7 3700x is encouraging though it certainly in my price range, i haven't overclocked an AMD for so so long, will i even need to OC it?
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Nah. You can just let Ryzen be more or less, no need to OC it.
 
Gray2233 said:
Jeeesus, that is impressive.
Last time I saw RAM that good was the old ass Samsung Green 30nm in the DDR3 days!
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indeed. like the sabrent rocket for ssds, value-wise, there really isn't any need to consider any other ram, so long as xyz user is not 100% hell-bent on only spending their hard earned dosh at ocuk ;)
 
Right now the 3600 or 3700 are the processors for 95% of folk here, all you have to decide is what ram and board to get.
Intels current line up is rubbish and i dont care what anyone says, you would have to have a very specific set of requirements to go team blue on CPU at the moment.
The i5 is a 6 thread cpu and the i7 9700 is 8, the 3600 is a 12 thread cpu and the 3700 is a 16. Down the road in the future i bet that's a much more significant difference than a few hundred MHz on the clocks.

As for GPU its a bit easier, if you already have a gsync monitor get an nvidia card.
If you want the fastest possible video card for 4k or what not then the 2080ti is the one
If you have a freesync monitor or have not yet got one and dont want to spend a fortune then the 5700 or 5700xt (or a vega card if your really lucky)

What about the perceived problems with AMD that many like yourself have mentioned - well its nonsense.
Intel has several huge issues right now, they are really struggling to make 10nm work so there processors are hanging around 14nm(with god knows how many plus's) while AMDs are at 7nm making AMDs chips significantly better at power and thermals.
Intel has massive issues around security as well, every sodding week there seems to be a new vuln out that potentially can cause issues with the blue teams cpus - you have to wonder just how did they get the performance out of there chips ... was it down to security corner cutting? regardless patches are causing performance degradation with intel chips that you shouldnt see in AMDs new stuff... not significantly bad at the moment but... down the road...?
... and intel are pushing the chips and processes to the wall to try and keep up with ryzen - the 9900'KinSteeming edition due out will be a hot power hogging mess of a chip no doubt.

As said ... smart money at the moment is on team red for cpu and unless your wanting the fastest also red for a lot of gpu needs.
 
tamzzy said:
indeed. like the sabrent rocket for ssds, value-wise, there really isn't any need to consider any other ram, so long as xyz user is not 100% hell-bent on only spending their hard earned dosh at ocuk ;)
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Absolutely shop around tbh.

Honestly, when it comes to the OP's requirements and fears it's almost ironic. The desire to go to Intel for heat and potential issues is something Intel is suffering far more now than AMD, and that's without getting into the security flaws debate.

@BigNBackITG You REALLY need to think hard about going AMD over Intel.
 
okay so....

Ryzen cpu,motherboard and ram for around £500. I CAN go more, but only for some substantial gains.

I still plan to use a AIO simply due to the air flow possibilities and looks, so the corsair H100i is still a decent pick.

@ Gary2233, the first pick (3700x + B450) was the memory picked specifically?

Are there any things to watch out for when picking for a Ryzen setup? Im sure i heard they are or were fussy about some combinations, just more factless internet chatter?

Great post sideways14a thanks
 
The memory was a placeholder, I'd recommend taking @tamzzy advice in regard to the Crucial ballistix LT, especially if you don't mind OC'ing your memory.

With a Ryzen build that's the only thing you really do want to OC in honesty, and it's not that difficult to do.

You will need to shop around for for it as OCUK doesn't stock it, but it's up to you in that regard. If you really want to stick to OCUK the Dark-T-Force I linked is a great choice.

Edit: Why does everyone call me Gary? LOL
 
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Gray2233 said:
Edit: Why does everyone call me Gary? LOL
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Im lysdexic, sorry GRAY2233 :)

If OCUK dont have it or are asking too much of course i'll shop else where. Im not sure what happened to OCUK, when they were small and more underground their prices were among the best in the UK along with a wide variety. Its the first shop i go to when looking for IT gear, nice website and good staff if you need to ring em up. I guess a part of my shopping them was the fact they were smaller and independant, i hate handing over cash to huge faceless company like Dell, Amazon etc

Anyways back to the task at hand, after some research i found that the Ryzen 7s and 9s dont have the compatibility issues some of the other generations supposedly had, of course fakenews and underhanded sales tactics by the big dogs are always a possibility (sadly). This is why i come to forums like this to ask real people with passion and experience , ive been off the computing seen for the last few years thanks to new additions to the family so it seemed like a good place to start.

really great stuff guys, keep it coming!
 
B450 vs X470 VS X570.

Since i want this machine to end up a 4k gaming rig in a few years time with a new and more affordable graphics card, im guessing that i should be looking at the X470/X579 due to PCI-E 4.0?
 
I could recommend you a better mobo if you're unsure of the one I listed earlier, and given the budget you have I'd lean toward it:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £209.99 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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Fantastic VRM's, excellent mobo if but more expensive. If you want to upgrade your CPU 2-3 years down the line I've no doubt you'd be able to do so with this board even if you wanted to put a 12-16 core in.

Otherwise take the advice on the B450 stuff for around the £100 mark, it's more than capable and will meet your needs.
 
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Hmm 4k..
You could just go with a 3600 the now and then drop in either the big mamma 12 and 16 core monsters now or use a Zen3 based chip when AMD squeeze them out next year which will be the last of the AM4 compatible chips.
 
Gray2233 said:
I could recommend you a better mobo if you're unsure of the one I listed earlier, and given the budget you have I'd lean toward it:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £209.99 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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Fantastic VRM's, excellent mobo if but more expensive. If you want to upgrade your CPU 2-3 years down the line I've no doubt you'd be able to do so with this board even if you wanted to put a 12-16 core in.
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Well..... If i were to go for this motherboard, could i get a low grade cheaper cpu,one that is more evenly matched for an nvidia 1660 TI and when it comes to "going 4k" in a few years time i upgrade both the GPU and CPU. PSU too tbh, i dont know if the 4k world of the future will be power hungry or not - ideally stay the same or less

Remember, this PC should only really be focused on maxed out 1080p right now, but be able to upgrade to whatever when smooth 4k is achievable without spending the silly amount it costs right now.
 
If you go for that mobo the AMD 3600 would be perfect.

Hold in mind I'm just giving you more options, the 3700x with the B450 recommended earlier would last you longer in one sense, and said b450 with a 3600 would be fantastic as of now for your needs.

When you start moving to 4K gaming the CPU is less important, the GPU becomes more of a thing. So a 3600 + b450 might be a better option for you. That said, longevity would also imply that next gen consoles are going to be using zen 2 8 core setups, so getting a 3700 now might be beneficial?
 
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You can still do 4k now, nothing stopping you using that res even on a crap card like the 1660ti which i am not a fan of at all.
I run 4k on a 5820k and 1080ti, both not exactly cutting edge especially the cpu but they game fine on it with some settings lowered. Ok for a 1660 your gunna have to drop a lot of settings but even so its doable.
 
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