Munchetty breached BBC guidelines by describing Donald Trump as a racist.

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The question isn't whether Trump is a racist ( he clearly is), it's whether a BBC journalist should express that view and then go on to make a judgement on the motivation for Trump's words, and their potential consequences. The answer is no they shouldn't, which is why she was reprimanded. The panel actually supported her right to reply in terms that reflected her own experience of racism.

It's not even remotely complex in any way. Here's a link to the actual judgement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/breakfastbbcone170719
 
String said:
The question isn't whether Trump is a racist ( he clearly is), it's whether a BBC journalist should express that view and then go on to make a judgement on the motivation for Trump's words, and their potential consequences. The answer is no they shouldn't, which is why she was reprimanded. The panel actually supported her right to reply in terms that reflected her own experience of racism.

It's not even remotely complex in any way. Here's a link to the actual judgement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/breakfastbbcone170719
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Exactly this, she should have made her comments outside of the show on Twitter or YouTube, but using the show as a platform is where she crossed the line.

Anyway as expected the BBC is furiously back-peddling and is now throwing the white man under the bus.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-Walker-Naga-Munchettys-racism-comments.html

So normal service has resumed at the (br)woke BBC
 
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I don't want to hear a presenters opinion, whatever race she is. I'm not 10 years old and need the world explaining to me. I can draw my own conclusion.

I can see the situation being unfair in the sense that I tend to agree with the narrative that other people of a different colour (white) have been doing it as well, and the BBC chose to jump on this woman.

It's easy to see how this situation as developed. The white BBC as prioritised certain stories for their own ideological reasons, and now their BAME (black, asian and minority ethnic) presenters felt they were safe to put their 2 penny's worth in, and suddenly they are told no they can't. This is the end result of running the BBC with a bias. This is where it would go, implode, because its trying to control the narrative.

This is a political problem of the left, and it shows how far down the road the BBC is that its having to deal with this situation.
 
BowdonUK said:
I don't want to hear a presenters opinion, whatever race she is. I'm not 10 years old and need the world explaining to me. I can draw my own conclusion.

I can see the situation being unfair in the sense that I tend to agree with the narrative that other people of a different colour (white) have been doing it as well, and the BBC chose to jump on this woman.

It's easy to see how this situation as developed. The white BBC as prioritised certain stories for their own ideological reasons, and now their BAME (black, asian and minority ethnic) presenters felt they were safe to put their 2 penny's worth in, and suddenly they are told no they can't. This is the end result of running the BBC with a bias. This is where it would go, implode, because its trying to control the narrative.

This is a political problem of the left, and it shows how far down the road the BBC is that its having to deal with this situation.
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Have you even remotely read the situation she was in to make this statement? This whole thing is precisely because the BBC is explicitly told not to have a bias, she was goaded into telling her opinion by the other dude constantly until she gave in, but it always seemed that she was aware she was stepping over the line.

If the other high-level employees took an aggravated stance to the BBC attacking her for it, then that's hardly a bias when then they have a justified position on this.

But whatever confirmation bias ho! Not as if its going to change anyone's opinion if they're stuck up the arse end of the Express or Guardian, so scream at how outraged you are, it's not going to be riveting to anyone.
 
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Straight up, I honestly don't believe Trump is a racist. I do think he's an old fashioned bigot, but that's a different story.
 
Munchetty is not facing any disciplinary action or reprimand.
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This is such a garbage story.

This is the equivalent of someones manager correcting them on language to use with customers because it's company policy.

She hasn't been sacked, hasn't been penalised, she's been told to keep her opinions out of the story as a presenter in line with BBC guidelines.

If you read the article the BBC also splits blame for this with her co-presenter for leading her but he didn't give any opinion himself and therefore didn't break the rules.
 
StriderX said:
Have you even remotely read the situation she was in to make this statement? This whole thing is precisely because the BBC is explicitly told not to have a bias, she was goaded into telling her opinion by the other dude constantly until she gave in, but it always seemed that she was aware she was stepping over the line.
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Exactly this, though maybe Goaded is the wrong word - I saw the clip on BBC News watch yesterday.
 
The fact is that ultimately she can't really control what her colleagues do if they feel a need to defend her, ultimately it's up the BBC and they chose to side with them after considering the position again. Not some ******* conspiracy of the left some wish to push.
 
StriderX said:
Have you even remotely read the situation she was in to make this statement? This whole thing is precisely because the BBC is explicitly told not to have a bias, she was goaded into telling her opinion by the other dude constantly until she gave in, but it always seemed that she was aware she was stepping over the line.
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That is exactly the point I'm making, though I wouldn't use goaded. The BBC as been promoting their own position on these types of subjects for many years, and Munchetty was given a false sense of security and spoke her opinion then suddenly the BBC clamp down.

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Could you provide a specific example of this?
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I mean the general left bias the BBC as taken in the last 20+ years. They, predominantly white middle/upper class people, make the case the world is so racist etc. Then in what seemed like an encouragement Munchetty was asked to voice an opinion.

I actually found the other guy more annoying in the way he immediately turned to Munchetty for racism confirmation. He provoked the situation. We all know what "go back to your own country" means with its racist connotations. Why did he feel the need to ask her? Wasn't he sure? It's like doing a news story on slavery then the white guy turning to a black co-host and asking her opinion, as if to say "this is your area of expertise".
 
BowdonUK said:
I mean the general left bias the BBC as taken in the last 20+ years. They, predominantly white middle/upper class people, make the case the world is so racist etc. Then in what seemed like an encouragement Munchetty was asked to voice an opinion.
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Surely you can provide a single example of what you claim?

For clarity, this is what I'm referring to.

I can see the situation being unfair in the sense that I tend to agree with the narrative that other people of a different colour (white) have been doing it as well, and the BBC chose to jump on this woman.
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String said:
Surely you can provide a single example of what you claim?

For clarity, this is what I'm referring to.
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Well not about race specifically as I don't follow every word the BBC says. But we know on other subjects like Brexit that the BBC promote remain. There was a case recently where Emily Maitis stepped over the boundary when talking to Rod Liddle on Newsnight inferring he was a racist. The complaint was upheld.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-...neering-newsnight-discussion-with-rod-liddle/

The BBC has upheld a complaint that claimed Emily Maitlis was “sneering and bullying” towards columnist Rod Liddle during a live Newsnight discussion.
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During the programme, in which Liddle discussed his book about Brexit called The Great Betrayal, Maitlis said: “You’re not angry that we haven’t left, you say that the Remain argument was that all Leavers were basically racists and xenophobes…”

She asked Liddle if he would describe himself “as a racist because many see you that way”, and later added that his columns contained “consistent casual racism week after week”.
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In the interview in question, which is linked in the article, Liddle was sat with a guy who runs the Peoples Vote campaign, and Maitis. She shouldn't be attributing her opinion of his personal motive for writing his column. She should have just been discussing the subject.

Maitis didn't get any punishment and the complaint was only upheld because Liddle brought it to them. The BBC in Munchetty's case their internal system automatically detected the breach.

I think the upshot of all this is going to be that BBC presenters will all be sharing their own opinions. I look forward to the fireworks when their opinions clash. *Gets the pop corn*
 
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Straight up, I honestly don't believe Trump is a racist. I do think he's an old fashioned bigot, but that's a different story.
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The definition of racism is so blurred these days that it's not even as simple as saying whether he is or not. He has his biases and prejudices as everyone does and very little filter between brain and mouth, but because of the position he holds he's painted as some kind of neo-nazi.
 
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No, the BBC were reacting to a viewer complaint regarding Munchetty. You've literally provided an example of where a white presenter was treated in the exact same way as Munchetty.
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My wider point was that the BBC has bias on many subjects for at least 20+ years. Am I to assume you don't believe that?
 
This really is simple and it has nothing to do with whether Trump is a racist or not. The BBC is supposed to be unbiased. She stated her opinion. Whether valid or not that was against the BBC guidelines as the national, public funded, news service. The finding was right.

The childish protests by the 'actors and presenters' (who's opinions are no more or less valid than any member of the public) are simply because their beloved broadcaster isn't allowed to state an opinion which they personally agree with.
 
The TDS is real, good lord.

Half of the things in that 'refresher' list are totally misrepresented or just flat out false. Look almost ANY of it up and listen to recorded footage of what he actually said (not clipped or edited crap on the news), and it is not how it's shown in that agenda-pushing garbage. Anyone that spent actual time researching rather than just listening to what they're told by overly biased media should be fully aware of that.

Look, I get that people dislike Trump and that there's totally valid reasons for it. You don't need to lie and misconstrue data constantly, it's that sort of deranged fear-mongering that helped in getting him elected in the first place. At this rate it'll take a flat out miracle for him not to be reelected in 2020.
 
So we agree that presenters shouldnt be adding their own opinion

String said:
The question isn't whether Trump is a racist ( he clearly is), it's whether a BBC journalist should express that view and then go on to make a judgement on the motivation for Trump's words, and their potential consequences. The answer is no they shouldn't, which is why she was reprimanded.
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My main focus of my post was that the BBC has always had a bias to which you answered;

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Yet you're asking me for examples? Why can't you provide your own examples of bias? I don't really understand the point you're making. Yes I thought that this case was triggered without an external complaint. But that was a side issue to what I was posting about.

So what point are you making?
 
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