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Personally I’d just go for the 3700X and an X570 Aorus Elite. £500 all in. Keep £200 towards your next GPU upgrade.
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Dissuade me from buying 9900K
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Personally I’d just go for the 3700X and an X570 Aorus Elite. £500 all in. Keep £200 towards your next GPU upgrade.
Thanks mate I appreciate any opinions/input. I'd be buying 3900X tomorrow if playing newer games and your advice is good advice. I'm clearly going to be playing newer games soon enough and current fps is good enough so depending on COD modern warfare/MS flight sim 2019/20/Cyberpunk 2077 etc I may well stick until early 20/20.I did read your original postand my advice was different to what you wanted you wanted but I did say if your cpu is not the factor holding you back the. Keep it
but my advice is on my experiance in most recent new release games borderlands 3 greedfall code vein etc all don’t support sli and I don’t see many more supporting it either even amd have dropped crossfire and only 3 or 4 new Nvidia gpu support the new nvlink.
but the other part of it is the newer games my 3900x 2080ti system is acctully faster in the newer games then my group of friends and most have 9900k with 2080ti altho a couple do have 2080 though.
I’m sorry my advice wasn’t good for you it more based on my experiences and I like to give advice based from my experiance and not from websites experiences
I have the money to up now annoyingly and I worry the cash will be frittered away otherwise.
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It would be nice to see some game benchmarks with an optimised zen2 chip as there does seem to be some major increases there with overclocking.
Yeah that's the annoying thing, I really wanted Ryzen 2 and I just bought 32GB Patriot 4000mhz which is tomorrow going to be looking for a home. Newer games that use SLI I'm fine and even those that don't are bearable. I really don't know what to do, maybe a flight to Thailand!
I sort of agree but from the evidence in Arma 3 its 3800X=6700K. Maybe a little more but in this game AMD have always been a long way behind. It's all single thread, max clock speed max memory speed, newer Intel architecture.
Yes but for me that would be very little more than a sidegrade=money spent zero tangible gain where I care.
Think about this. When you upgrade to a 9900k you can enjoy spectre and meltdown at faster speeds!
Same pwnage... just faster!
I went with Ryzen because I think Intel CPU's have a chance of slowing down in the future, (security patches) and Ryzen 3000 parts have a chance of going faster. (Bios updates, windows optimizations etc)
Yeah I've seriously considered that it just seems so pathetic and weak to be buying an 8 core without HT and way too few PCIE lanes in 2019. My 5960x will prod me and keep me awake at night with the betrayal.
I'd already have jumped if Intel had a 9900K without the onboard GPU and 40PCIe lanes that could comfortably do 4.8-5ghz WITH HT (for the future, possible video editing etc).
That's genuinely a message I can relate to. Intel are and have been turds for ages as have Nvidia and still I have a PC with over £2k of their products. Maybe I'll do something else for a while
as neither deserve my patronage.
No-one should be buying an old 9900K 14nm relic when the 3900X is on the market. The only problem is the 3900X is out of stock constantly.
According to TechPowerUp, the much vaunted 'gaming gap' is 3.8% after all the chipset drivers. They're virtually neck and neck in gaming. Now remember, to witness this 'gap', TPU had to bench with a 2080 Ti @ 1080p. They also use a mix of old and new games in their game bench suite.
It's no contest, 9900K shouldnt even be considered at current prices. Lop £100 off the price and it might be something.
According to TechPowerUp, the much vaunted 'gaming gap' is 3.8% after all the chipset drivers. They're virtually neck and neck in gaming. Now remember, to witness this 'gap', TPU had to bench with a 2080 Ti @ 1080p. They also use a mix of old and new games in their game bench suite.
It's no contest, 9900K shouldnt even be considered at current prices. Lop £100 off the price and it might be something.
Yes I think I'll have to do that. Here's hoping I can get my new Patriot DDR4 stable on X99!
You bet right, on two instances average gaming performance has gone up since release. The first with the chipset driver about 2 months back. Secondly, more recently with the boost clock fixes that improved boost behaviour.
Meanwhile, nearly every bench of the 9900K is carried out with no security patches installed which cumulatively slow down performance and then some.
Yes but the gap in the game I play and own a PC for and have devoted 6000+ hours is 30%. 3900X is great in everything except MY primary gaming use hence the OP. I know all that you've quoted and at 4K the difference seems negligible and GPU limited in the vast majority of games
(mostly because they don't test with anything better than 2080ti) but I'm not after a general 'what should I upgrade' bit of advice. In games with 4000Mhz memory the 9900K at peak clock is still 15%-30% faster than the 9900K and my current 5960X 'relic' trades blows with the 3700X/3900X when overclocked.
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Yes, the fact that a decent X570 costs approximately £50 more than it's Z390 counterpart, and the RAM is pricier (as overclocking a slower kit like 3200mhz will only get you so far)
From an apples to apples perspective, a 3800x setup vs a 9900K/F, pricing would be very similar.
Again, from a gaming perspective, the 9900K/F setup would be the better option.
I agree its pathetic not doing the security patches and Ryzen2 can only get better but we're still only looking at 3-5% gains for Ryzen 2 vs 20-30% deficit at both chips (9900K/3800X/3900X) max clocks in Arma 3.
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Long and short is that Intel is best for gaming. Higher frames all round, whilst Ryzen would be the better choice for anything else.
The thing is you need to spend more than £80 to get the most out of the 3800X and prices for the 3800X are falling nicely. You don’t need expensive RAM either. Two sticks of Crucial E die memory will most likely max out the IF.
