Who still has an i7-3930K??

static_lycan · 26 Sep 2019 at 15:12

MartinPrince said:
For photo editing on a budget you'd be much, much better offer getting an MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard with a Ryzen 2600

I looked into pricing for your suggested parts, and looked for performance comparisons, and it looks like the ryzen 2600 and 5930k have almost identical performance. So it seems that going for a used x99 setup at a lower price would make more sense. Unless I'm missing something?

Avalon · 26 Sep 2019 at 16:39

static_lycan said:
I looked into pricing for your suggested parts, and looked for performance comparisons, and it looks like the ryzen 2600 and 5930k have almost identical performance. So it seems that going for a used x99 setup at a lower price would make more sense. Unless I'm missing something?

I have three x99 builds currently in use (mainly VM servers), and a Ryzen (Unraid), I really like the x99 platform, it's been great value and allowed me to consolidate a lot of physical hardware, but it's now time to move on unless you get a stupidly cheap deal. First gen Ryzen 1700's are £80, top end x370 boards go for £60-80, the B350/B450 go for less, you can upgrade to 3rd gen chips as prices drop/needs change, that's up to 16c/32t on a 3950x and potentially a refreshed 4th gen still to come on AM4. For example I just did an x370 TaiChi/R1700 for under £150 on a build for a friend's son.

What makes the most sense depends on what you want to spend, a cheap v1/v2 Xeon on x79 will give similar results to a v3/v4 on x99 core for core at the same clock speed, but a 5820k/6800k is still going to be getting on for a ton, as x370 is generally cheaper than x99, then x99 seems a poor choice. That said if you get a good deal on either, it may tip the balance.

MartinPrince · 29 Sep 2019 at 01:49

static_lycan said:
I looked into pricing for your suggested parts, and looked for performance comparisons, and it looks like the ryzen 2600 and 5930k have almost identical performance. So it seems that going for a used x99 setup at a lower price would make more sense. Unless I'm missing something?

As Avalon has stated you'd be much better off getting the Ryzen system as much for the much easier upgrade path as for anything else.

Pannalicour · 29 Sep 2019 at 08:02

Maybe threadripper 1920x is cheap as hell. Has 12 core/24 threads.

MaXxBoulton · 29 Sep 2019 at 08:14

static_lycan said:
I looked into pricing for your suggested parts, and looked for performance comparisons, and it looks like the ryzen 2600 and 5930k have almost identical performance. So it seems that going for a used x99 setup at a lower price would make more sense. Unless I'm missing something?

X99 is dead, but a B450 and 2700. If you can go for a 3xxx chip. But ever way the ryzen will have a future upgrade where x99 is now dead.

I went from a 3930k to a 6850k and to be honest there was nothing that a noticed and a big jump in power. All benchmarks show it was better.

BUT right here and now with my money it would be ryzen.

static_lycan · 29 Sep 2019 at 12:44

I can see several people suggesting ryzen builds, citing future upgrades as a big consideration. But I think I need to re-state my purpose for wanting a new build, which is to get a cheap upgrade from an older 4 core system, something that will provide an uplift in multithreaded tasks. So naturally, looking at used not-brand-new hardware is an attractive option to me.
Yes, I am aware that x79 and x99 are "dead platforms" but practically if a 5820k can provide me with almost identical performance to a ryzen 2600 system for 50% less cash, that's the no brainer for me.
Also as 'upgrade paths' have been mentioned a few times, if I were to go x99 I wouldn't be doing it with the intention of buying another x99 cpu later on to max out that system, it would stay as it was until the next time an upgrade feels necessary... or unless I saw something like a 1680v3 (or a dual x5690/sr-2) pop up at an unusually low price...
But at the end of the day its not about getting the newest equipment going or chasing regular upgrades, its about finding something that will improve my workflow a bit for a small outlay. After all if my current build has happily lasted me 7 years, then I cant imagine myself buying a ryzen 5 system this week, and then buying a ryzen 7 or 9 next year

MartinPrince · 29 Sep 2019 at 12:55

static_lycan said:
I can see several people suggesting ryzen builds, citing future upgrades as a big consideration. But I think I need to re-state my purpose for wanting a new build, which is to get a cheap upgrade from an older 4 core system, something that will provide an uplift in multithreaded tasks. So naturally, looking at used not-brand-new hardware is an attractive option to me.
Yes, I am aware that x79 and x99 are "dead platforms" but practically if a 5820k can provide me with almost identical performance to a ryzen 2600 system for 50% less cash, that's the no brainer for me.
Also as 'upgrade paths' have been mentioned a few times, if I were to go x99 I wouldn't be doing it with the intention of buying another x99 cpu later on to max out that system, it would stay as it was until the next time an upgrade feels necessary... or unless I saw something like a 1680v3 (or a dual x5690/sr-2) pop up at an unusually low price...
But at the end of the day its not about getting the newest equipment going or chasing regular upgrades, its about finding something that will improve my workflow a bit for a small outlay. After all if my current build has happily lasted me 7 years, then I cant imagine myself buying a ryzen 5 system this week, and then buying a ryzen 7 or 9 next year

I kind of understood that though I still maintain that if you are going 2nd X79/x99 then you may as well go 2nd hand Ryzen which will still give you equivalent and probably slightly better performance for around the same and probably less.

MrPils · 1 Oct 2019 at 10:53

static_lycan said:
I can see several people suggesting ryzen builds, citing future upgrades as a big consideration. But I think I need to re-state my purpose for wanting a new build, which is to get a cheap upgrade from an older 4 core system, something that will provide an uplift in multithreaded tasks. So naturally, looking at used not-brand-new hardware is an attractive option to me.
Yes, I am aware that x79 and x99 are "dead platforms" but practically if a 5820k can provide me with almost identical performance to a ryzen 2600 system for 50% less cash, that's the no brainer for me.
Also as 'upgrade paths' have been mentioned a few times, if I were to go x99 I wouldn't be doing it with the intention of buying another x99 cpu later on to max out that system, it would stay as it was until the next time an upgrade feels necessary... or unless I saw something like a 1680v3 (or a dual x5690/sr-2) pop up at an unusually low price...
But at the end of the day its not about getting the newest equipment going or chasing regular upgrades, its about finding something that will improve my workflow a bit for a small outlay. After all if my current build has happily lasted me 7 years, then I cant imagine myself buying a ryzen 5 system this week, and then buying a ryzen 7 or 9 next year

Neither X79 nor X99 boards are cheap second hand, they go for silly money given the age of the hardware you are buying. You can buy Chinese junk "new" for under £100, but they are made from recycled parts removed from old boards. A cheap B450, 16gb of micron E Die and an R5 3600 is far better value than buying a second hand X79 motherboard and cpu, and far cheaper than buying an X99 motherboard, cpu and quad channel kit. I've replaced my X99 and X79 setups with Ryzen 3000, its a massive upgrade in responsiveness and performance. Even the R5 3600 is a performance upgrade over the 5960x in the real world, my old 4.6ghz 5960x is slower in every game and benchmark I've tested except memory bandwidth.
Even ignoring the performance upgrade from Ryzen 3000 over x79, for the modest extra cost just buy new. If you want something that can last you for 7+ years don't buy second hand stuff that's been used for years already.

static_lycan · 1 Oct 2019 at 15:28

I must admit, having seen how ebay auctions have been progressing, the value proposition of these older platforms has gone out the window, so ryzen probably does make more sense in the end

Hades · 2 Oct 2019 at 10:52

My x79 board is dying. One of the PCIE slots is dead (my fault that one), several USB ports intermittently don't work and the speaker jack is now temperamental too. It's a shame because otherwise my 3930k with oodles of memory is still good enough for everything I do. But I think I am going to have to consider an upgrade. As mentioned above the cost of used x79 boards is not worth considering against a low end Ryzen upgrade for more performance. That's especially the case when I can also sell the CPU and 48gb of DDR3 to recover at least some of the cost.

It's been a great system over the years and I would keep it longer. But I think the motherboard will die in the near future.

MartinPrince · 2 Oct 2019 at 11:16

static_lycan said:
I must admit, having seen how ebay auctions have been progressing, the value proposition of these older platforms has gone out the window, so ryzen probably does make more sense in the end

Precisely. As @MrPils has just stated you're much better off getting a B450 motherboard and a Ryzen CPU of your choice be it second hand or brand new. I've even seen people using 3900X on £60 A320 motherboards.

I loved my old X79 stuff and even thought about searching out an E5 1680 V2 to prolong its life even more but in reality the money was better spent on getting an up to date system.

static_lycan · 2 Oct 2019 at 12:37

So, is there any particular reason that old hardware can be even more expensive than current equipment?

MrPils · 2 Oct 2019 at 19:31

static_lycan said:
So, is there any particular reason that old hardware can be even more expensive than current equipment?

I have one X99 still running as my VDI development machine at home. I run 4 GPUs and about 4TB of storage with 64gb memory so I can run 8 hardware accelerated VMs. The servers at work hosting my production environment are the same generation and unlikely to change for a few years yet. Its important enough to me that I kept the 2 boards I replaced with Ryzens as spares in case of failure despite their value on ebay. I also kept the 5960x as at a pinch that would do should the cpu crap out. These were intended as a workstation platform, and as such youre sometimes stuck with it due to many external reasons. Theres that few of them available now that anyone who needs to replace one gets gouged hard.

MrMarvelous · 2 Oct 2019 at 19:53

What chip would be a good upgrade from a 4930K at 4.6Ghz guys?

Hades · 2 Oct 2019 at 20:16

static_lycan said:
So, is there any particular reason that old hardware can be even more expensive than current equipment?

Imagine you have an older system. Your CPU is good. You have maybe 32gb or 64gb of RAM. You have licenses tied to the system. Then your motherboard dies. It's going to be cheaper to buy a replacement old motherboard than to replace the whole system (although certainly fare worse value). So you might have to pay a slight premium for old ones.

The same goes for your old RAM dying, or your old CPU dying.

4K8KW10 · 2 Oct 2019 at 21:17

MrMarvelous said:
What chip would be a good upgrade from a 4930K at 4.6Ghz guys?

Ryzen 9 3900X or Ryzen 9 3950X.

edgedemon said:
Been rocking this build since 2011, X79, Rampage IV, 32Gb of 2133mhz RAM which due to the weak chipset I could never overclock
I think I finally have the upgrade itch, I'm beginning to notice for the 1st time that my PC seems a bit slow sometimes, games are fine, but photo editing is beginning to slow down. It made me realise how long it was since I last looked at hardware, and I was curious, are there any other X79 owners out there who are still happy with their build or have you all upgraded/moved on now?
Im off to look at the latest AMD CPU/mobo's and catch up on the last 7 yrs

So, 8 years and your CPU is still not obsolete.
For a comparison, a 325$ Core 2 Quad from 2009 had already showed its age around that time, 2011, 2012.... :eek:

Yaayuh! · 2 Oct 2019 at 21:30

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MrPils · 4 Oct 2019 at 11:03

MrMarvelous said:
What chip would be a good upgrade from a 4930K at 4.6Ghz guys?

R5 3600 is an upgrade, 3800x is probably as far as I'd go. Ignore people touting the 3900x and 3950x, while they are undoubtedly awesome CPUs they are not the intended upgrade for a user with a 6 core cpu. The 3800x is the cpu AMD say is their best for gaming, and itll be quite some time until 16 threads is a limitation anywhere so theres not much reason to look beyond 8 cores given the price jump. If you dont have budget constraints then the 3900x with SMT off is slightly quicker than the 3800x in games, but as mentioned before they are expensive and hard to find in stock. A decent B450 or X470 board is a fine partner to a 3800x and doesnt limit performance at all, if looking at X570 there's not much point going beyond the £250 range of boards (unless your budget is unconstrained).

Hades · 4 Oct 2019 at 16:53

I seem to recall reading that in a few games, where 8 cores aren't beneficial, the 3600 is slightly faster than the 3700 due to having more cache per core?

Hades · 4 Oct 2019 at 21:58

Pannalicour said:
Maybe threadripper 1920x is cheap as hell. Has 12 core/24 threads.

I've been watching these for a while. They could turn out to be a decent price/performance buy if they fall a bit more on the used market.