El Chapo: Heavy fighting erupts in Culiacán

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There has been heavy fighting in northern Mexico between the security forces and members of the powerful Sinaloa drug cartel after one of the group's leaders was discovered.

Ovidio Guzmán López was found during a routine patrol in Culiacán.

He is the son of drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzmán, who was sentenced in the US to life in prison plus 30 years.
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The state government said Ovidio Guzmán was found in a house by a police patrol on a routine search.

It said cartel members subsequently launched the huge attack in an attempt to seize him back from the authorities.

Ovidio Guzmán, said to be in his 20s, is believed to have played a key role in the Sinaloa cartel, following the arrest of his father.

He is wanted in the US on several drug-related charges, Mexican media report.

He was briefly detained before being released by the police.

There have been no official reports of fatalities, but pictures have emerged apparently showing dead bodies on the streets of the city.
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This is absolutely nuts. Some of the stuff on social media is pretty gruesome, some not verified yet.

Cartel leader (son of former leader) gets arrested... full on **** storm erupts with cartel members coming onto the streets and shooting at police (including apparently a truck with a .50 cal machine-gun on the roof!). Seemingly they've downed at least one police/security forces helicopter and staged a mass prison break.

There was some footage on twitter of a bunch of dead police officers after some ambush and one of the stories re: why the police later released the cartel leader they'd only just arrested was seemingly because the cartel had other kidnapped police/security forces and were going to execute them.

They've basically got no control over that city and that cartel leader is currently untouchable for authorities, at least at the moment.

His dad managed to escape a couple of times himself but not with the official cooperation of the authorities like this but through bribing individuals.
 
Is funny because one of our members recently tried to argue that mexico wasn't a narco state. Is not funny because it is and innocent people are dying as a result.
 
That country will be forever controlled by cartels unless there’s some major drug law reform. Even then they’ve pumped money into other areas now and would still have huge power without income from drugs.
 
Send in the army and just start executing all the rats, seriously.

Mexico is such a **** hole blighted by these people. All worst videos i've seen come out of Mexico it seems....
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Send in the army and just start executing all the rats, seriously.

Mexico is such a **** hole blighted by these people. All worst videos i've seen come out of Mexico it seems....
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The Mexican army doesn’t stand a chance, the cartels have even infiltrated that and have equal if not better firepower. They have runners who travel to the states and pick up 50 cals off the shelf.

It would take the US army to get involved but then you open up a whole new set of problems.

If anyone wants a good insight into the scale of this issue then check out Ioan Grillo’s podcast with Joe Rogan.
 
Jesus H.....it's a different world. Over here you might imagine your local drug dealer being some seedy guying wearing Sports Direct finest with a pocket knife and a couple of mates around him for protection meanwhile in Mexico the Drug lord is shooting down military helicopters and is able to bend the police to his will through sheer might.

CREATIVE!11 said:
Send in the army and just start executing all the rats, seriously.

Mexico is such a **** hole blighted by these people. All worst videos i've seen come out of Mexico it seems....
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They tried that and they got beat! There fighting an organisation that has access to military level hardware, men who are paid well and highly motivated. It's a struggle for people in the UK to wrap our heads around that a criminal gang could be allowed to grow so large and powerful it's able to take on the establishment head on and win.​
 
Just a totally different set of rules over there.

That tweet with the army shaking the cartels hands says it all - basically a ceasefire.
Word on the street is that it was a planned raid, they arrested him, the cartel retaliated by killing a bunch of people, an agreement was made to give him back if they stopped and then the government tried to downplay it all by saying it wasnt planned.
So a bunch of people just died for absolutely no gain.

After decades of corruption it's going to take decades to right all the wrongs over there, international help isnt gonna do much but increase the violence. You dont want a bunch of foreigners coming in messing it up even more.
 
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a lot of the cartel are ex-military, w/ all the training and hardware to go w/ it. I've been following this for years, the death rate related to it is mind-boggling. too entrenched now to be stopped w/ anything less than a MF of a bloodbath and the cops/military going as hardcore as the cartels.
 
wolfie138 said:
a lot of the cartel are ex-military, w/ all the training and hardware to go w/ it. I've been following this for years, the death rate related to it is mind-boggling. too entrenched now to be stopped w/ anything less than a MF of a bloodbath and the cops/military going as hardcore as the cartels.
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Or the US to do something crazy and unexpected like legalising recreational drugs. Which I admit is not going to happen.
 
Ayahuasca said:
The Mexican army doesn’t stand a chance, the cartels have even infiltrated that and have equal if not better firepower. They have runners who travel to the states and pick up 50 cals off the shelf.

It would take the US army to get involved but then you open up a whole new set of problems.
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It'd have to be done like Colombia, with someone like the US turning it's Intel people against the Cartels and allowing small units of the USSOCOM to act on anything the intel types find whilst having a small contingent of "security cleared" Mexican forces to act as back-up and give legitimacy to the actions of the US.

However I don't see that happening here.

This has been a HUGE embarrassment for the Mexican Government who has been trying to hide the power of the Cartels from everyday people outside of Mexico for a while now due to tourism worries and an incident like like will shame them into acting, which'll lead to a bigger bloodbath at a later date between the Cartels, Military and Government when the Military will effective have to choose whose side to be on.
 
Short of a series of co-ordinated decapitation strikes on the cartel leadership structures, you’d need the Chinese Army operating under Roman Empire rules to fix this mess.
 
Ahleckz said:
Off on a 3 week tour around Mexico in a few weeks. May bump myself up to the silver level of travel insurance...
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Given its massive problems, murder capital of the world etc i'm often surprised so many people choose to visit such a place.
 
no different to people visiting LA when South Central was a zoo. It's not like every street and road is life-threatening. if it were, no travel company would go near it in the first place and no insurance company, silver level or otherwise, would touch you.
 
wolfie138 said:
no different to people visiting LA when South Central was a zoo. It's not like every street and road is life-threatening. if it were, no travel company would go near it in the first place and no insurance company, silver level or otherwise, would touch you.
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Enormous difference between a city with a serious gang problem in one area and country with an entire region under control of a criminal organisation that either owns local law enforcement/military or is so powerful that they can be safely ignored.
 
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