Actual Police State

stockhausen said:
You suggested that we were living in an "Actual Police State" so I don't think you are right at all, in any way at all.
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Indeed.

The judgement makes a lot of sense and the restriction was never going to be lawful. I predicted that it would be found to be unlawful but for a different reason - that being the proportionality of the restriction which wasn't tested in court. I think if they found that it was a public assembly (which the judged rules it was not and therefore unlawful) the litigation would have still won for the aforementioned reason.
 
Dis86 said:
Well...I was dismissive in another thread recently of a guy who claimed we were living in a police state. I may have to change my tune following the actions of the met...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50051279

http://news.met.police.uk/news/arrests-in-connection-with-extinction-rebellion-protests-383815

Banning any right to peaceful protest is going too far and reminds me of such fine diplomacys as China, Burma and Iran.

By all means arrest those breaking laws but don't start blanket bans or...the next step...changing laws.
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"Climate" protests are sanctioned by the State.
However, those in charge face pressure to look like they are doing something, because of the public backlash due to blocked roads, cancelled trains and planes, etc.

The people who are funding the "climate" protests are the same people the government are working for.

We do live in a police state (of sorts), but not for the reason you think we do.
 
@vanillaface I think you'd have to be very naive to believe that the decision to shut down these protests was not politically motivated and likely to originate from within the current government. Sadly it's unlikely to ever be proven.
That fits the very definition of a police state though with the police acting arbitrarily to enforce political will.
 
Dis86 said:
@vanillaface I think you'd have to be very naive to believe that the decision to shut down these protests was not politically motivated and likely to originate from within the current government. Sadly it's unlikely to ever be proven.
That fits the very definition of a police state though with the police acting arbitrarily to enforce political will.
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So really it's a state controlled by a Democratically elected government, terrifying.
 
Dis86 said:
@vanillaface I think you'd have to be very naive to believe that the decision to shut down these protests was not politically motivated and likely to originate from within the current government. Sadly it's unlikely to ever be proven.
That fits the very definition of a police state though with the police acting arbitrarily to enforce political will.
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The decision to shut them down was politically motivated, due to the public getting really, really peed off with them.
The decision to be lenient with the roadblocks and other actions in the first place was politically motivated, because the government wants everyone to believe what the "climate protesters" are telling them.
Everything was politically motivated.

If you say something on Twitter which the government doesn't want you to say, the police will kick your door in at 4am, ransack your house, take your computer, and arrest you.
If you say something which the government does want you to say, while blocking a road for a couple of days, then the police won't arrest you or kick your door in, until such a point that votes might be lost due to an irate public, and only then will you be arrested, then released.

Yes, this is a police state. Yes, it's going to get worse.
If we can manage to get out of the EU, AND replace the current shower in Parliament, then it MIGHT get better.
The chances are that it is going to get worse before it gets better, IF it ever gets better.
 
vanillaface said:
We don't have a democratically elected government. We are run from the EU. Have been for a long time, to varying degrees.
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Lol, get lost. Keep it on topic. There is no EU directive on hurting your populace with anti-democratic policies, the Tories and Labour does that all on their lonesome, they certainly don't need any help in this department.

Also mega lol if you think even a majority of the MP's will be changing, ever.
 
crinkleshoes said:
You need to do a fact check ;)
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You're right.

I've just done my fact-check, and have discovered that rather than being controlled by the EU, our Parliament respected the referendum result and we left the EU years ago.
Phew. For a moment there, I thought that Parliament was working for the EU and had kept us in all this time.
 
vanillaface said:
You're right.

I've just done my fact-check, and have discovered that rather than being controlled by the EU, our Parliament respected the referendum result and we left the EU years ago.
Phew. For a moment there, I thought that Parliament was working for the EU and had kept us in all this time.
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Christ dancing on a bike...

It is massively due with the reality that there is no agreement on what to leave the EU for.

There is no majority to leave the EU for no deal.

There is no majority to leave the EU for a much worse deal than remaining.

The idea that the EU is to blame is generated by lies that leave is a big united family all happy for any leave objective whatsoever. It isn't and never was.

Someone was simply dense enough to lump all people who don't like the EU in one category in a referendum with no direction to leave in so its as false a mandate as any. Which can be clearly seen by the "leave" factions trying to sabotage each others chances at this GE coming up because neither faction was getting what they wanted.
 
Sickening waste of money if I heard that right on the news for the policing costs of these protests being around 24 million. So many better things that could be spent on...
 
Hotwired said:
Christ dancing on a bike...

It is massively due with the reality that there is no agreement on what to leave the EU for.

There is no majority to leave the EU for no deal.

There is no majority to leave the EU for a much worse deal than remaining.

The idea that the EU is to blame is generated by lies that leave is a big united family all happy for any leave objective whatsoever. It isn't and never was.

Someone was simply dense enough to lump all people who don't like the EU in one category in a referendum with no direction to leave in so its as false a mandate as any. Which can be clearly seen by the "leave" factions trying to sabotage each others chances at this GE coming up because neither faction was getting what they wanted.
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There is no such thing as "how" to leave, because there is only one way to leave, which is to leave.
The referendum was an exercise in direct democracy, in which the government and Parliament is given a direct order to carry out.
Parliament is treating it as if it falls under representative democracy, in which MPs make choices on the behalf of their constituents.
The traitors have been travelling to, leaking information to, consulting with, and taking orders from Brussels in order to keep us in the EU.
EU lawyers were used to draw up documents supposedly created by Parliament.
More than 3/4 of Parliament has been working for the EU all along.
EU law trumps UK law. Court cases showed that is has done so since the 60s, at least.
We haven't had democracy for a long time. We have the illusion of democracy.
Our Parliament is not the only one used as a veil to hide the real system of governance; the EU has one too: "look, we have a parliament, so we cannot be a dictatorship, lol!".
 
thenewoc said:
Sickening waste of money if I heard that right on the news for the policing costs of these protests being around 24 million. So many better things that could be spent on...
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It's not seen as our money; it is seen as the government's money.
For them, it was a good investment, because it only cost them £24 million to make it look like the government didn't support the protests; protest which, if successful, and part of a wider campaign, will earn the government and their clients over a trillion quid over the next decade alone, and give them more power than they have now.
 
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