Actual Police State

Hotwired said:
That's a load of BS disconnected from reality and the amount of chaff you're throwing into the air is disgusting.

To cap it all off you've added the diversion and lie that I'm religious. Among the other diversions and lies of course.

I'm thinking you're banned from speakers corner where the serious and intended discussion of Brexit is kept.
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I think you are religious.
Most socialists are religious.
All the extinction rebellion people are religious (except for the leadership of course).
Plenty of pro-EU people are religious.
 
vanillaface, what definition of religion are you using? Ie. What is your definition of religion?
 
vanillaface said:
I think you are religious.
Most socialists are religious.
All the extinction rebellion people are religious (except for the leadership of course).
Plenty of pro-EU people are religious.
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Your opinion is worthless on the reality of my religious state. You bundled in religion as one of the many lies and character attacks in the previous post. Just after the lies and misrepresentations you imagine exist by leaving the EU.

Hotwired said:
All of that. All of it, completely whitewashes all the intentions and sales pitches given before the referendum and claims the entirity of the "leave" voters as wanting what you want. Breaking all arrangements with the EU (and by extension, the world through the EU agreements) and starting from zero was NOT the sales pitch. Yet here you are claiming as do politicians who disagree with each other, that the result supports what THEY say.
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As I said here.

You are not speaking for the "leave" vote, you are advertising your agenda, claiming the weight of the vote behind it and blanking any variations of "leave" which you don't like even though they voted.

You've expressed what exactly you think and it is loaded to the brim with hypocrisy and dodging of responsibility which degrades rapidly into character attacks if pressed on anything at all.
 
I'm thinking some beginner recently got taught one of Shakespeare's rules and is quite indulging in it to the same degree as Lewis Carroll's (the Reverend Charles Dodgson) mad hatter.

Vide. Shakespeare's rule:

"Thou can thou-thou any man thrice, this no man canst stand."

Ie. The triple insult. It's used (at the end) in the post directed at Hotwired above, which motivated my fallacy comment.
 
RxR said:
vanillaface, what definition of religion are you using? Ie. What is your definition of religion?
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I'm referring to the mindset which causes a person to believe in things known not to be true.

Perhaps a good example is socialism.
Socialism cannot work, and experience shows that it does not work, but not just "does not work", but causes enormous economic damage, misery, and death.
And yet, millions of people are socialists.
Why is this?
Are they evil for wanting to inflict such damage on others? Well, some of them will be.
But for the majority, it's a religious belief.
You can tell a Jehovah's Witness that the Earth is older than 12000 years, and he'll probably believe it, but he won't admit it.
It's the same for socialists.

A Jehovah's Witness will not give his child a blood transfusion to save his life, because of religion.
A ******** will willingly submit his child to serfdom under the EU, because of religion.

Extinction rebellion - OMG, we are gong to die in 12 years.
Religious belief.
CO2 trails temperature rise; it doesn't cause it.
"CAST OUT THE DENIER - SACK HIM FROM HIS JOB - PUNCH HIM BECAUSE HE MUST BE A NAZI - DESTROY HETERONORMATIVITY".
Religious nutcasery.

Christianty is so boring. All those coffee mornings and praising god.
Socialism is groovy, it's exciting, you can dye your hair, you can walk around with a banner saying **** TRUMP, in front of kids. It's edgy.
 
Hotwired said:
Your opinion is worthless on the reality of my religious state. You bundled in religion as one of the many lies and character attacks in the previous post. Just after the lies and misrepresentations you imagine exist by leaving the EU.



As I said here.

You are not speaking for the "leave" vote, you are advertising your agenda, claiming the weight of the vote behind it and blanking any variations of "leave" which you don't like even though they voted.

You've expressed what exactly you think and it is loaded to the brim with hypocrisy and dodging of responsibility which degrades rapidly into character attacks if pressed on anything at all.
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Of course I'm not speaking for the leave vote.
No one needs to do that.
We voted to leave. No one needs to speak for it.
All that needs to be done, is to leave.

You are religious though. You just don't believe in a bearded man in the sky.
Unless it was Corbyn in an aeroplane, har har.
 
RxR said:
I'm thinking some beginner recently got taught one of Shakespeare's rules and is quite indulging in it to the same degree as Lewis Carroll's (the Reverend Charles Dodgson) mad hatter.

Vide. Shakespeare's rule:

"Thou can thou-thou any man thrice, this no man canst stand."

Ie. The triple insult. It's used (at the end) in the post directed at Hotwired above, which motivated my fallacy comment.
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I haven't insulted him yet.
 
Yadda said:
In how many Actual Police States do the Police get taken to court over their actions and lose?



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50316561
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Ones which aren't fully 100% police states yet.
You do know that the government supports the protests, right?
Do you realise that there's a fine line between supporting the protests, and not peeing off the public by allowing them to linger on for too long.
 
vanillaface said:
I haven't insulted him yet.
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Indeed you did, sir.

I would like to know your definition of religion. Or, if you choose not to give it, your definition of 'religious'. Yes, I am aware of your allusion to an argument from ignorance, but would appreciate if you could clarify your meaning so that I can see if we are using different understanding of the term.

For example, communism and Freudianism are religions on OUP published technical grounds. What basis are you using for a "religious" classification?
 
vanillaface said:
Ones which aren't fully 100% police states yet.
You do know that the government supports the protests, right?
Do you realise that there's a fine line between supporting the protests, and not peeing off the public by allowing them to linger on for too long.
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So, Police States that aren't Police States? Gotcha.
 
RxR said:
Indeed you did, sir.

I would like to know your definition of religion. Or, if you choose not to give it, your definition of 'religious'. Yes, I am aware of your allusion to an argument from ignorance, but would appreciate if you could clarify your meaning so that I can see if we are using different understanding of the term.

For example, communism and Freudianism are religions on OUP published technical grounds. What basis are you using for a "religious" classification?
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Naaa, I didn't insult him yet.
He just got upset because someone made him think about some things he didn't want to think about.
About religion, I already talked about that above.
Basically, people thought they were being clever by swapping belief in bearded sky men for belief in authority.
The former was preferable, because back then, they were too busy playing the organ and holding jumble sales to do as they were told by lying, devious troughers.
 
vanillaface said:
Of course I'm not speaking for the leave vote.
No one needs to do that.
We voted to leave. No one needs to speak for it.
All that needs to be done, is to leave.

You are religious though. You just don't believe in a bearded man in the sky.
Unless it was Corbyn in an aeroplane, har har.
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vanillaface said:
I haven't insulted him yet.
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You dared to raise an issue of respect yet prove your hypocrisy by making false claims about me as a diversion.

There is no majority for a "leave" EU with nothing and start from scratch. Which is why there is massive disagreement within UK parties and political leaders. The EU do not want to interfere with UK decision making on the matter for fear of being blamed for the end decision. For an EU that you believe manipulates all its member states and is run by Germany it's odd that it doesn't want to touch this process with a bargepole and insists the UK must make its own mind up.

Try addressing that rather than character attacks because you're short on substance.

You don't even have any substance to the character attacks!
 
Hotwired said:
You dared to raise an issue of respect yet prove your hypocrisy by making false claims about me as a diversion.

There is no majority for a "leave" EU with nothing and start from scratch. Which is why there is massive disagreement within UK parties and political leaders. The EU do not want to interfere with UK decision making on the matter for fear of being blamed for the end decision. For an EU that you believe manipulates all its member states and is run by Germany it's odd that it doesn't want to touch this process with a bargepole and insists the UK must make its own mind up.

Try addressing that rather than character attacks because you're short on substance.

You don't even have any substance to the character attacks!
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It's not very respectful to only want your own vote to count, nor to wish your kids to live as serfs.
That's not an insult. I'm trying to help you. Because it hadn't occurred to you until now.
Maybe you just hang around with fellow kiddie-serf-wishers, or something, so no one has ever pointed it out before.
Imagine if a gang of burglars was hanging out together; none of them will point out to any of the other that maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't go around burglarizing.

The majority for leaving the EU was demonstrated by the referendum result.

The EU doesn't want to interfere with UK decision-making, which is why they receive our MPs over there to brief them, and give them access to legal support for the drawing up of parliamentary bills.

See, this is why I pointed out that you are religious. You won't see anything bad in the EU, any more than a Muslim will admit that Muhammad had a liking for pre-pubescent girls.
 
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