Actual Police State

Yadda said:
You remind me of the folk who scream "Police state!" whenever the Police do something they disagree with.
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In case you hadn't noticed, he / she is a religious person (by the implicit definition they are using).
 
RxR said:
In case you hadn't noticed, he / she is a religious person (by the implicit definition they are using).
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We're called policestatists.
We ignore the bits about the arrests for speech and the new requirements for the upper-rank police (scary stuff), but we just shout "POLICE STATE" whenever anyone gets arrested for muggings/ fraud/ murder/ etc.
 
vanillaface said:
It's not very respectful to only want your own vote to count, nor to wish your kids to live as serfs.
That's not an insult. I'm trying to help you. Because it hadn't occurred to you until now.
Maybe you just hang around with fellow kiddie-serf-wishers, or something, so no one has ever pointed it out before.
Imagine if a gang of burglars was hanging out together; none of them will point out to any of the other that maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't go around burglarizing.

The majority for leaving the EU was demonstrated by the referendum result.

The EU doesn't want to interfere with UK decision-making, which is why they receive our MPs over there to brief them, and give them access to legal support for the drawing up of parliamentary bills.

See, this is why I pointed out that you are religious. You won't see anything bad in the EU, any more than a Muslim will admit that Muhammad had a liking for pre-pubescent girls.
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A bucket more character attacks without substance.

Again a claim that all the vote backs your agenda without any respect for people who voted leave but are not on board with your agenda.

And back to the character attacks.

So in your list of things to label me specially we've had....

Socialist, Corbyn supporter, Religious, authoritarian, "kiddie-serf-wisher", now a hint at Islam and all wrong.

But lack of substance isn't stopping you trying to insult and divert attention from you dodging accusations of lack of substance.
 
Hotwired said:
A bucket more character attacks without substance.

Again a claim that all the vote backs your agenda without any respect for people who voted leave but are not on board with your agenda.

And back to the character attacks.

So in your list of things to label me specially we've had....

Socialist, Corbyn supporter, Religious, authoritarian, "kiddie-serf-wisher", now a hint at Islam and all wrong.

But lack of substance isn't stopping you trying to insult and divert attention from you dodging accusations of lack of substance.
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Ok, back to what we've already talked about.
It doesn't matter WHY a person voted leave, or WHY a person voted remain, because it was a binary choice: leave or remain.
The result was LEAVE, so we leave.

For a politician to say "we are going to say we've left, but are still going to be inside the EU", is not leaving. That's called BRINO.

If you're an EU supporter, then you are a socialist of sorts, but mainly a corporatist/ globalist.
You're also an authoritarian, because the EU is authoritarian.
You are religious, because you have a religious approach to politics.
I never said you were a Muslim though.
 
RxR said:
If I may ask, who is the group you are speaking on behalf of - the "we" in your above opinions?
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I already said. Policestatists. it's a religion.
We ignore real examples of the UK being a police state, but shout "POLICE STATE" when the police do the job they would be supposed to do in a non-police state.
 
vanillaface said:
I already said. Policestatists. it's a religion.
We ignore real examples of the UK being a police state, but shout "POLICE STATE" when the police do the job they would be supposed to do in a non-police state.
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Ah. I know what religion that is, an employer sponsored one.

e: given your level of idealism and communication style, I'd say you were under 27yo, single, don't have kids, and never been the victim of a serious assault (eg. you've never had to fight physically for your life or been the victim of an attempted murder). Am I right?
 
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vanillaface said:
Ok, back to what we've already talked about.
It doesn't matter WHY a person voted leave, or WHY a person voted remain, because it was a binary choice: leave or remain.
The result was LEAVE, so we leave.

For a politician to say "we are going to say we've left, but are still going to be inside the EU", is not leaving. That's called BRINO.

If you're an EU supporter, then you are a socialist of sorts, but mainly a corporatist/ globalist.
You're also an authoritarian, because the EU is authoritarian.
You are religious, because you have a religious approach to politics.
I never said you were a Muslim though.
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It matters absolutely because people were sold different tales of how their prospects would improve if we left, thus it is a lie to claim X has the full support of the leave vote.

It will have legitimate support when actually put as the option in a vote. Every claim otherwise is to start with the lie that everyone who voted "leave" had the same motivation.

Boris is happy to claim he is doing the "will of the people", Farage claims it's actually his party doing the right thing and they both have as much right to say so.

Your justification of your attempts at insulting with labels is still wrong so once more lets repeat that they are lies for distraction and you never had the substance to back them up.

I am not inflexible about not leaving the EU and you've missed out the bit where you lied that I worshipped Corbyn. A person I have repeatedly called an incompetent opposition leader.

This is an absolutely trash way to "leave" the EU as there is clearly no unity in the "leave" vote and never was. As such I despise it and everyone claiming their version is the "will of the people". Until such time these assorted politicians actually defend and win their leave strategy in a referendum to echo the one which started this I would rather we ditched this display of incompetence.

Except Boris doesn't fancy a public vote on his deal and we go into a GE where the gamble is to dilute the opposition more than your own party and claim you were right all along on Brexit if you win the GE. A truly twisted public vote for the purpose of proving one side or other is genuinely in majority.
 
RxR said:
Ah. I know what religion that is, an employer sponsored one.

e: given your level of idealism and communication style, I'd say you were under 27yo, single, don't have kids, and never been the victim of a serious assault (eg. you've never had to fight physically for your life or been the victim of an attempted murder). Am I right?
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LOL!
 
RxR said:
I mentioned those characteristics because the absence of any 2 of them might give you a different view of the positive practical need for law and order. :)
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A police state is not one in which crimes are prevented and detected.
A police state in one in which non-crimes are prevented and detected.

Crime isn't caused by law.
 
vanillaface said:
A police state in one in which non-crimes are prevented and detected.
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I have personal experience of that kind of error. The poor folk were untrained in propositional logic and logic testing using the reductio ad absurdum (null hypothesis testing) proof technique. An unfortunate error of interpretation. I was developing an anti-radicalism therapeutic technique (a national-security- enhancing method) at the time.

It is a brave man who dares enter a logicians laboratory without the sure guard of logic itself.
 
RxR said:
I have personal experience of that kind of error. The poor folk were untrained in propositional logic and logic testing using the reductio ad absurdum (null hypothesis testing) proof technique. An unfortunate error of interpretation. I was developing an anti-radicalism therapeutic technique (a national-security- enhancing method) at the time.

It is a brave man who dares enter a logicians laboratory without the sure guard of logic itself.
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But that doesn't change that a police state does not concern itself with crime, but rather with non-crime.

If the police, who serve the government, were to concern themselves with preventing and detecting such things as burglaries, assaults, fraud, kiddie-fiddling, and murder, then this would not be a police state.
Instead, they have been turned into a political enforcement force.
Hence, we are now on the police state spectrum.
When non-crimes are against the law, you have yourself a police state.
 
vanillaface said:
If the police, who serve the government, were to concern themselves with preventing and detecting such things as burglaries, assaults, fraud, kiddie-fiddling, and murder, then this would not be a police state.
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Yea, the Police in this country haven't detected any of those crimes for decades. You might be on to something after all.
 
Yadda said:
Yea, the Police in this country haven't detected any of those crimes for decades. You might be on to something after all.
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Well, just because they do those things, it doesn't mean they aren't tackling non-crimes as well..........
If the police ONLY tackled crimes, then this province wouldn't be on the police state spectrum.
 
vanillaface said:
If the police, who serve the government, were to concern themselves with preventing and detecting such things as burglaries, assaults, fraud, kiddie-fiddling, and murder, then this would not be a police state.
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You're right! The last time a burglar was convicted was way back in 1976! A man called Arthur Bugle, for breaking into a house in Swindon and stealing a bottle of Brut aftershave and a copy of Razzle.

Why hasn't anyone noticed this? How can we get the truth out there?
 
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Yadda said:
The last burglar


The last time a burglar was convicted was way back in 1976! A man called Arthur Bugle, for breaking into a house in Swindon and stealing a bottle of Brut aftershave and a copy of Razzle.
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I call BS on that.
Razzles never had to be stolen; they could readily be found in hedges and in motorway lay-bys.
 
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