Do the regulations state competence means being gas safe registered?
Combi boiler issue
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Do the regulations state competence means being gas safe registered?
It would probably need to be determined by a court.
Why would he be signing it off as safe?
People are getting confused between the regulations of a professional body and what is legal. They are not the same.
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What we need to do is get down to basics here and ignore rules and regulations.
At the end of the day, is it right to put yourself and your family at risk to save a few quid?
At the end of the day, is it right to put yourself and your family at risk to save a few quid?
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Not a gas engineer, but in my line of work it's a mix of both quals and experience. I would expect a similar thing with gas work though, joe bloggs following a guide online to work on their boiler doesn't strike me as safe.
The regulations were published about 20 years before Gas Safe existed. Gas Safe is a legally recognised standard of gas installation in accordance with the aforementioned standard. In fact I believe it is the ONLY recognised standard of installation.
Precisely. The same way I could read every electrical manual in the world but still wouldn't be deemed competent to wire someone's house. Even for free.
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The Competent part is a grey area but only matters if you are going to disturb the gas side of the boiler including opening the main combustion chamber to clean it out.
Anyone even your mom can fit a new diaphragm (water/pressure side only disturbed) or thermostat (water and electricity) if they choose to do so.
https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1449/who-can-legally-work-on-a-gas-appliance-factsheet.pdf < Official
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/7x2o27/neighbour_about_to_do_a_diy_gas_job/ < Grey area chat including Gas fitters.
Anyone even your mom can fit a new diaphragm (water/pressure side only disturbed) or thermostat (water and electricity) if they choose to do so.
https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1449/who-can-legally-work-on-a-gas-appliance-factsheet.pdf < Official
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/7x2o27/neighbour_about_to_do_a_diy_gas_job/ < Grey area chat including Gas fitters.
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Changing a simple hot water sensor is not putting anyone at risk he isn’t even touching the gas side of the boiler don’t exaggerate things just because you were proved wrong with your stance over the ‘competent person’ clause.
As an amusing aside the three most dangerous boiler installs I have seen were either gas safe or corgi signed off and all three could have killed someone.
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For god sakes, to change the sensor on that boiler, or any boiler means removing the casing which can damage the seals. After such a repair, proper testing has to be done to ensure there is no leakage. Does he have the correct equipment to do so?
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Rubbish the outer casing on my boiler has 3 sides with no top or bottom (decorative) and again the law (above) says you can do any work that does not disturb the gas side/combustion chamber), it means losing some pressure and fitting new part with a new fibre/copper washer.
I dunno about his boiler but mine there are no seals on the outer casing, there is a seal on the combustion chamber though. The electrical and water side of the boiler including pump, thermostat, fan, venturis and water valves etc could all be worked on safely by literally anybody that can brandish a spanner or screwdriver.
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^^ Correct.
Lol the outer casing on every boiler I’ve ever seen is a decorative cover secured with a couple of tiny screws there are no seals.
To be fair though mine did break a few weeks after moving into this property and its some 32kw vokera boiler (well it actually isn't but sort of is, its a sabre he32 which internally is a vokera he32 but licensed for sale in a different market or something) and was 6 years old when I bought the property. I rang up vokera thinking it was a long shot and to see if I can find out more I didnt really even say much and they took some details told me how old it was, put a warranty on it and would repair it up to the value of £500 in parts if I committed to £28 a month for 12 months and they would also give it a service on month 12. 30*12 is 360 so it was a no brainer. They came around with a dude that claimed he could basically build a new one of my boiler in parts from his van and that's basically exactly what he did. In went a ton of new/different parts in places and it's been working like a champ for the last 5 years. I was so happy with this I continue to pay about 18£ a month with them and they come and service it and do all the maintenance and I don't have to worry. This is what the op should do ring the manufacturer and see what they can offer if anything, you might be surprised.
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ive basically done loads on my boiler but its an oil one ,oil pump and motor ,the diverter valve (luckily the head section,no draining down) afew solenoids ,also changed the circuit board and the timer control (both from a damaged unit i was given.
not qualified but after doing the pump i got a guy in to do all the burner settings and also a leaking prv , expansion tank (also salvaged)
basically saying i got my work checked out
not qualified but after doing the pump i got a guy in to do all the burner settings and also a leaking prv , expansion tank (also salvaged)
basically saying i got my work checked out
paid or unpaid you need to be gas safge registered to work on gas and even then you have to have the relevant certificate on your gas safe card
someone whos passed their boilers cant go work on gas fires unless they also have passed that exam and vice versa
You really want to argue this again? Show me where it says you have to be gas safe registered if you aren't being paid??
Gas safe is nothing to do with being paid or not being paid its the relevant qualifications and competency to do work full stop
I bet your one of those "have a go" DIYers that I end up visiting after the incident to put things right
I guess that means you cant show me the relevant text from the regs then.
Gas safe is a requirement if you work for gain, if you believe the regs state otherwise please do post up, until somebody does this is just going round in circles.
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This seems to say that for domestic properties you need to be Gas Safe registered unless I'm reading it wrong:
https://www.hse.gov.uk/toolbox/gas.htm
https://www.hse.gov.uk/toolbox/gas.htm