Is it crazy to buy a diesel now?

plan is a second hand version, 2016 £20 per year road TAX.

I hope to keep it 3-4 years then hopefully go electric as my work has charging stations.

so I'm hoping nothing major will change in the next 4 years.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Ban is inevitable, just a matter of when.
TBH you might be better off keeping what you got for a few more years and just going electric once the market has stabilised.
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Banning diesel outright like Bristol has is very daft. What comes out the back of a Euro 6 diesel is exceptionally low at 0.17g/km for HC + NOx and 0.005g/km for particulates (28x less!). These really are minuscule amounts. A 20 year old bus guffs out clouds of black crap, is it really any better environmentally?

The ban would be far far more effective if it was based on cars that were made in significantly outdated Euro emissions standards. For example a 1996 would be a Euro 1 emissions diesel, allowed 0.97g/km for NC+NOx and 0.14g/km for particulates. The petrol limits are barely any better.

I hope that councils around the UK have enough to brain power to realise this. As an Engineer, I really feel they have missed the point on this one.

Back on topic, I would buy a 2015 Diesel for the OP's mileage. It will have high pressure injectors, dual mass flywheel etc. and a dreaded PDF, but it won't have the silly adblu tank that was introduced ~2015 for Euro 6 emissions.
Or just go for a standard petrol turbo. There won't be a huge amount in it running cost wise.

One year ago my mileage dropped from ~22k to ~8k. I don't need nor want a diesel, but for me a main car is always best the devil you know.
 
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[TW]Fox said:
What use is one of those for long distance high mileage?
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still decent mpg, won't devalue as much as diesel because goverment isn't hating on it yet, won't be banned from city centers yet and if you're stuck in traffic/have to drive in town etc it'll do the job perfectly. Something like lexus is300h will return 50mpg no matter how you drive it, be comfy etc.. and a good one can be picked up for 12-15k
 
Cruising MPG on modern petrol cars isn't to bad. Even on moderately powerful stuff. The Fiesta ST I had didn't have much trouble getting in to the mid 40s. The gap isn't what it was in the previous decade.
 
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OpenToSuggestions said:
Back on topic, I would buy a 2015 Diesel for the OP's mileage. It will have high pressure injectors, dual mass flywheel etc. and a dreaded PDF, but it won't have the silly adblu tank that was introduced ~2015 for Euro 6 emissions.
Or just go for a standard petrol turbo. There won't be a huge amount in it running cost wise..
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Pretty sure my 2017 seat leon is euro 6 diesel and doesn't have adblue. Pretty sure the same with volvo v40 when i was looking but couod be wrong.

Nasher said:
Cruising MPG on modern petrol cars isn't to bad. Even on moderately powerful stuff. The Fiesta ST I had didn't have much trouble getting in to the mid 40s. The gap isn't what it was in the previous decade.
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What speed were you driving for mid 40s in a fiesta st petrok? My commute is 30miles mostly motorway but as i do 80mph on motorway get about 49 to 53mpg best (2017 sear leon 184bhp diesel) . Ill need to see the difference when i do 300+ milea to glasgow.

My mileage for commute tends to be better on way back i presume due to general topography /hills. I think if i dropped to 65/70 would be a lot bettet but cant be bothered with that..
 
But that is despite being a Hybrid not because it is one. The Hybrid system surely offers no real benefit with that sort of usage?
 
The Craig said:
Pretty sure my 2017 seat leon is euro 6 diesel and doesn't have adblue. Pretty sure the same with volvo v40 when i was looking but couod be wrong.



What speed were you driving for mid 40s in a fiesta st petrok? My commute is 30miles mostly motorway but as i do 80mph on motorway get about 49 to 53mpg best (2017 sear leon 184bhp diesel) . Ill need to see the difference when i do 300+ milea to glasgow.

My mileage for commute tends to be better on way back i presume due to general topography /hills. I think if i dropped to 65/70 would be a lot bettet but cant be bothered with that..
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Just 70 mostly. It was a mk7 which I don't have anymore. Official combined mpg was high 40s.

Ford used to loan me a 1.0 when it was in for a service and there really wasn't a huge difference in mpg between them in the real world. Even though the performance difference is huge.
 
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arfoll said:
If we've learnt anything in the past few years is that real world tailpipe emissions don't match what can be achieved under test conditions. Especially when cold or in a regen cycle diesels emit way more than any figures will show... I'm not convinced an outright ban is correct but will be interesting to see when electric only city centers start...
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Valid point, but the public shouldn't be penalised for that.
 
arfoll said:
If we've learnt anything in the past few years is that real world tailpipe emissions don't match what can be achieved under test conditions. Especially when cold or in a regen cycle diesels emit way more than any figures will show... I'm not convinced an outright ban is correct but will be interesting to see when electric only city centers start...
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That's great but our governments have built entire tax regulations and vehicle production regulations on the back of these tests in order to influence our purchases.

I drive a diesel not because I like diesel but because I drive a car in a market where taxation levels are such that diesel is the clearly superior option, IE I have done exactly as governments intended I did.

A decision was made that we needed to reduce co2 emissions and diesel is the way this is done with internal combustion engined cars. A petrol car on a motorway is about as bad as it gets for the overall environment.

You can't get all funny about climate change and then start demonising the least co2 emitting widely available fuel.

I'd far rather drive a 540i and pay 30p a litre for my fuel but I can't.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Atkinson cycle is enabled by hybridisation. That’s a significant improvement in combustion efficiency.
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how much at 70mph then .. I could not see ?,
just that ct300h (same as camry) has < 2KWhr battery, which would not seam to last long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive.

At the 2016 price point the OP is buying £12K ? cant see that the potential addtional loss in residual value of a diesel, would be offset by a £1k/yr fuel saving eg.
Fuel cost calculator UK - Calculate and compare fuel consumption
 
jpaul said:
how much at 70mph then .. I could not see ?,
just that ct300h (same as camry) has < 2KWhr battery, which would not seam to last long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive.

At the 2016 price point the OP is buying £12K ? cant see that the potential addtional loss in residual value of a diesel, would be offset by a £1k/yr fuel saving eg.
Fuel cost calculator UK - Calculate and compare fuel consumption
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fuel savings is set to be around 2500 a year plus a saving of £500 in tax, so quite considerable.

if the car does me 3 years which is the plan that's a considerable amount of savings.

The 370z wont have great residuals as its a non Nismo and they are still producing them, plus no one wants them as they cost a fortune to run :D
 
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