You pick a number apparently, as long as the number is available then you should get it allocated, otherwise they should allocate another. They post a list of all the people allocated various numbers for each draws on the website. Problem is plenty of the competitions would appear to sell out before they have a chance to process the free entries, some would be impossible to accept free entries on.
Isn't this Dragons Den idea illegal?
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You pick a number apparently, as long as the number is available then you should get it allocated, otherwise they should allocate another. They post a list of all the people allocated various numbers for each draws on the website. Problem is plenty of the competitions would appear to sell out before they have a chance to process the free entries, some would be impossible to accept free entries on.
I thought that they had to have a certain percentage of free entries
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People here should stop moaning about the fact that they are making a profit, that the prizes are lower in value than the amount of tickets...What would you expect? Would you want them to do it for free? You get the chance to win a dream car with £30...the profit they're making goes into admin, running the raffle business, paying taxes, salaries, deliveries, etc...and the rest...well, it's a business, ain't it?
I bet 100% of the people slamming them play the lotto and euro and scratch card games...how are they different? Worried about them not needing a lottery license? They're just following the rules...and i bet if they weren't legit, no dragon would have backed them...DON'T BE GELOUS, PLAY THE GAME...OR NOT...UP TO YOU, BUT STOP ...... ABOUT IT...
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I bet 100% of the people slamming them play the lotto and euro and scratch card games...how are they different? Worried about them not needing a lottery license? They're just following the rules...and i bet if they weren't legit, no dragon would have backed them...DON'T BE GELOUS, PLAY THE GAME...OR NOT...UP TO YOU, BUT STOP ...... ABOUT IT...
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You must be having a giggle. You've joined this forum, revived this post to tell people their opinion is wrong on unregulated gambling.
Seem a bit over defensive if you ask me?
Gambling ruins lives, and these guys are playing on that. £30 a ticket that's the child's school dinners. Some of these people don't even have a plan on what to do when they get a car because of insurance and tax. It's ridiculous. They don't even alert people of responsible gambling
I don't think people are moaning about them making a profit in itself - perhaps quote the posts you're referring to so posters can respond, at the moment you're just attacking a straw man.
I think the moans so far relating to profit have been in a couple of posts mentioning that the items seem to be rather old and the draws for them seemingly taking in significantly more than the item is worth.
The other posts have been people questioning the legality of it, criticising the way they've presented things etc...
The dodgy element is the allegation from one poster that they ignore free entries (I don't know about that as I've never tried a free entry or indeed an entry with them) and the way some of the draws are structured/free entries processed so that you can't actually get a free entry in in time.
If they're trying to avoid being regulated as a gabling site by providing a skills based question and a free entry route but the skills based questions are way too blatant and the free entry route isn't actually feasible for some draws then they could eventually be in a bit of trouble with the authorities if they end up on their radar.
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Ofensive? Ofensive is to say outloud that a business should be illegal just because you think it should be, while the business you're talking about is following the rules...and operating legally...
If £30 is too much for you to play, you shouldn't...If £30 Is your weekly school lunch for your kid, you should send that email to ask the team to ban you from playing their raffle...which they publicly said they would...
I think people are too oppiniated when it comes to businesses playing by the rules...in which case, blame the rules, not the business following them...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be controversial, and I'm not trying to force my opinion, all I'm saying is that according to the Gambling Act 2005, they're compliant ..like it or not...
If £30 is too much for you to play, you shouldn't...If £30 Is your weekly school lunch for your kid, you should send that email to ask the team to ban you from playing their raffle...which they publicly said they would...
I think people are too oppiniated when it comes to businesses playing by the rules...in which case, blame the rules, not the business following them...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be controversial, and I'm not trying to force my opinion, all I'm saying is that according to the Gambling Act 2005, they're compliant ..like it or not...
That is questionable, as per the above post. They seem to be very close to the line at best and I do wonder if they're not actually crossing it with regards to both the way they handle free entires and the apparent skill aspect they're using.
Dowie is completely right, we don't know if they are actually following the rules.
"If £30 is too much for you to play, you shouldn't" . Of course not, but who are the people playing for "dream cars"? There's not even a responsible gaming message on the sites.
We have a big enough problem with gambling in the UK, all anyone wants it's tougher controls on how these sites operate and transparency.
Btw the national lottery whilst not perfect fairly not for profit, going by their own figures 95% goes back to winners and society so it's not even close to comparable.
"If £30 is too much for you to play, you shouldn't" . Of course not, but who are the people playing for "dream cars"? There's not even a responsible gaming message on the sites.
We have a big enough problem with gambling in the UK, all anyone wants it's tougher controls on how these sites operate and transparency.
Btw the national lottery whilst not perfect fairly not for profit, going by their own figures 95% goes back to winners and society so it's not even close to comparable.
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What relationship do you have with this business? I'm assuming it's yours?
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I am not affiliated with the company in any way, shape or form, however i do run a similar business and knowing mine is legit, i know for a fact that they follow the same business model, which i know is legit if they do everything as claimed publicly...from a compliance point of view, they are, as long as all disclaimers are in place...i did studied them to a certain point to establish the level of competition i'm facing, and the only point i was trying to make earlier even tho' I did manage to upset some, is that the business is not illegal as some claim, and shouldn't be illegal as some want, as long as the skill test is valid, which i know it's a grey area, but those are the rules of the game...
FYI there are national furniture companies that have been running charity competitions like this for the past 7 years and the skill test is to be able to tell where is the company's heat office...I mean...really...Is that a skill test? By the way, the answer is given straight-up at point of sale when the raffle is beeing sold...speaking of illegal or crossing the line...but it's fine, because it's for charity right? Funny how nobody is looking into how much of that actually goes to charity, or even worst, how much of that the charity is actually using for the actual cause, instead of paying 6 figures salaries for their directors...
FYI there are national furniture companies that have been running charity competitions like this for the past 7 years and the skill test is to be able to tell where is the company's heat office...I mean...really...Is that a skill test? By the way, the answer is given straight-up at point of sale when the raffle is beeing sold...speaking of illegal or crossing the line...but it's fine, because it's for charity right? Funny how nobody is looking into how much of that actually goes to charity, or even worst, how much of that the charity is actually using for the actual cause, instead of paying 6 figures salaries for their directors...
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With my business the disclaimer is in place to cover the Gambling Act 2005, The Responsible Gambling Statement, Rules of the Game, and my skill test is a list if 10 questions out of which every player should be able to answer 3, and the list changes every 3 months to avoid blogs to reveal the questions
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Like it or not, people can also state their opinions on this form of gambling being a poor value proposition, highly exploitative, and specifically aimed at taking advantage of the members of society who are least well equipped to gamble responsibly. Are you ok with that?
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Yeah i am, i am defending a business model, not the business in question, are you?
You've made an account on random forum to rant at people in an old thread after obviously trailing around on Google.
Just seems odd to be honest!
This thread is getting more bizarre, people are making new accounts just to post on here...
The only reason I was asking about the legality is due to the following:
13. Free Entry Method
13.1 Send your: Name, Address, DOB, Contact phone number, desired number of choice, and correct answer for that competition.
Post to: Elite Competitions, Building 09, Office 1, Unit 1, Preese Hall Farm, Weeton, Lancashire, PR4 3HT.
13.2 Postal entries are limited to one competition entrant per envelope.
13.3 The Entrant must specify which competition they wish to enter; also they should specify which number/s they desire.
13.3 If the number/s not available by the time the postal entry has arrived and been processed a replacement random number/s will be allocated.
13.4 Promoter will process all free entries on a Monday of each week and will be the sole responsibility for a staff member on this day.
13.5 The free entries will be treated in the exact same manner as the paid entries, in addition the free entries will be entered into the ‘Live Draws’ in the same manner.
13.6 Standard competition terms and conditions apply for free entries.
So I can send an entry for free via post, what's the likelihood of that being torn in half and put in the bin?
The only reason I was asking about the legality is due to the following:
13. Free Entry Method
13.1 Send your: Name, Address, DOB, Contact phone number, desired number of choice, and correct answer for that competition.
Post to: Elite Competitions, Building 09, Office 1, Unit 1, Preese Hall Farm, Weeton, Lancashire, PR4 3HT.
13.2 Postal entries are limited to one competition entrant per envelope.
13.3 The Entrant must specify which competition they wish to enter; also they should specify which number/s they desire.
13.3 If the number/s not available by the time the postal entry has arrived and been processed a replacement random number/s will be allocated.
13.4 Promoter will process all free entries on a Monday of each week and will be the sole responsibility for a staff member on this day.
13.5 The free entries will be treated in the exact same manner as the paid entries, in addition the free entries will be entered into the ‘Live Draws’ in the same manner.
13.6 Standard competition terms and conditions apply for free entries.
So I can send an entry for free via post, what's the likelihood of that being torn in half and put in the bin?
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Why? Just because you don't like my oppinion?
Everyone else expressed theirs...I did too...do you find it ofensive?
Everyone else expressed theirs...I did too...do you find it ofensive?
What are you on about?
So all you've done is copied what everyone else has done and are now trying to defend the shady and exploitative business model on a random forum thread?
In your own words ".DON'T BE GELOUS, PLAY THE GAME...OR NOT...UP TO YOU, BUT STOP ...... ABOUT IT..."
In your own words ".DON'T BE GELOUS, PLAY THE GAME...OR NOT...UP TO YOU, BUT STOP ...... ABOUT IT..."
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Free entries are mail based, if your letter reaches the company before anyone else close that number, it's yours, if not, if anybody else bought the number first...though luck...
Yes, STOP moaning about it, play the game, or not...either way, STOP moaning about it...the business is legit, following the rules, and if you're moaning, you're not at the business, because there are thousands like it, you're moaning at the rules...and the rules are strict and specific, and businesses like this play the hand they've been given...
Me beeing new to this and expressing my oppinion about what was said previously shouldn't upset anyone, should encourage people to give me valid arguments as opposed to..."So all you've done is copied what everyone else has done and are now trying to defend the shady and exploitative business model on a random forum thread?"
Shady why?
Shady how?
Exploitative business model? Tell me one that isn't! How is this one different?
Of course i copied what everyone has done and said before giving my point of view...wouldn't you?
YOU JUST DON'T LIKE MY WAY OF CUTTING TO THE CHASE, YOU DON'T LIKE TO BE TOLD YOU'RE WRONG, AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN DEFENDING THE WRONG CAUSE...
Want a better cause?
Look into how much of the charity raffles go to charity...
Look into how much of what goes to charity actually goes to the cause they're preaching...
Look how much a national director of a national charity group makes a year...
Look into what percentage is actually used for the cause...
Look into HOW MUCH OF THOSE FUNDS STAY IN THE COUNTRY...
Look into what actions the charity is taking to fight the cause of the charity...
Just a couple of things that should really catch your attention ...
I'M NOT SAYING THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION IS LEGIT, I'M SAYING THE BUSINESS MODEL IS IF DONE RIGHT...
I'M NOT SAYING THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION IS COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF DISCLAIMERS , MAYBE IT'S NOT...BUT IF IT WOULDN'T, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A DRAGON ONBOARD...COMMON SENSE...
I'M OUT, PEACE, AND THINK ABOUT IT...
Yes, STOP moaning about it, play the game, or not...either way, STOP moaning about it...the business is legit, following the rules, and if you're moaning, you're not at the business, because there are thousands like it, you're moaning at the rules...and the rules are strict and specific, and businesses like this play the hand they've been given...
Me beeing new to this and expressing my oppinion about what was said previously shouldn't upset anyone, should encourage people to give me valid arguments as opposed to..."So all you've done is copied what everyone else has done and are now trying to defend the shady and exploitative business model on a random forum thread?"
Shady why?
Shady how?
Exploitative business model? Tell me one that isn't! How is this one different?
Of course i copied what everyone has done and said before giving my point of view...wouldn't you?
YOU JUST DON'T LIKE MY WAY OF CUTTING TO THE CHASE, YOU DON'T LIKE TO BE TOLD YOU'RE WRONG, AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN DEFENDING THE WRONG CAUSE...
Want a better cause?
Look into how much of the charity raffles go to charity...
Look into how much of what goes to charity actually goes to the cause they're preaching...
Look how much a national director of a national charity group makes a year...
Look into what percentage is actually used for the cause...
Look into HOW MUCH OF THOSE FUNDS STAY IN THE COUNTRY...
Look into what actions the charity is taking to fight the cause of the charity...
Just a couple of things that should really catch your attention ...
I'M NOT SAYING THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION IS LEGIT, I'M SAYING THE BUSINESS MODEL IS IF DONE RIGHT...
I'M NOT SAYING THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION IS COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF DISCLAIMERS , MAYBE IT'S NOT...BUT IF IT WOULDN'T, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A DRAGON ONBOARD...COMMON SENSE...
I'M OUT, PEACE, AND THINK ABOUT IT...