Are chiropractors quacks?

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I've read quite a bit saying they are yet I've watched quite a few videos on yt where they get great results.

I kind of fancy trying it myself. Apparently you build up gases and inflammation in the body that they can release. I don't have any particular pains but then maybe I do and just don't really know it.

Anybody tried it?
 
Quacks? That's a funny thing to imagine. Lol I used them for years when I worked in the construction industry. If you put your back out (eg. are bent double and can t stand up or hardly drive) they can have you back as you were in minutes. They aren't just an 'option'.
 
Yes, pretty much.

Thought they're also very good at gas lighting their patients do you'll get plenty of anecdotes about the wonders they did for someone.... placebo effect can be quite strong.

This article sums it up pretty well:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/apr/19/controversiesinscience-health

You might think that modern chiropractors restrict themselves to treating back problems, but in fact they still possess some quite wacky ideas. The fundamentalists argue that they can cure anything. And even the more moderate chiropractors have ideas above their station. The British Chiropractic Association claims that their members can help treat children with colic, sleeping and feeding problems, frequent ear infections, asthma and prolonged crying, even though there is not a jot of evidence. This organisation is the respectable face of the chiropractic profession and yet it happily promotes bogus treatments.

I can confidently label these treatments as bogus because I have co-authored a book about alternative medicine with the world's first professor of complementary medicine, Edzard Ernst. He learned chiropractic techniques himself and used them as a doctor. This is when he began to see the need for some critical evaluation. Among other projects, he examined the evidence from 70 trials exploring the benefits of chiropractic therapy in conditions unrelated to the back. He found no evidence to suggest that chiropractors could treat any such conditions.

But what about chiropractic in the context of treating back problems? Manipulating the spine can cure some problems, but results are mixed. To be fair, conventional approaches, such as physiotherapy, also struggle to treat back problems with any consistency. Nevertheless, conventional therapy is still preferable because of the serious dangers associated with chiropractic.

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Basically there is no point in them, they might have some use in back pain but a Physio can be just as good if not better there (less risk arguably) and in other areas it seems to be totally unsubstantiated BS... basically avoid, some people are a bit naive and get taken in by them, don't fall for it.

Apparently you build up gases and inflammation in the body that they can release. I don't have any particular pains but then maybe I do and just don't really know it.

I mean that sounds like a lot of meaningless nonsense... generally if you build up gasses in the body they're released by burping or farting! You don't need to pay some quack to crack your spine.

I reckon that if you did go to one with "no particular pains but maybe I do and just don't really know it." then you'll leave yourself open to them indeed telling you that you have some issue or other and recommending that you book several sessions with them to fix it. Apparently they're quite fond of taking x-rays then seemingly spotting some "subluxations" on them which they'll claim to fix... makes it all sound a bit more professional 'cos they're using an x-ray like a real physician.
 
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I guess you do live in another country. Why you'd doubt their ability to realign a partly dislocated spine must be down to lack of experience or chiropractor incompetence.

e: a retiring chiro in his late 60's taught me a useful stretching trick many years ago that subsequently saved me a small fortune - in fact, relieved me of chronic back pain (15+ years) from a fused spine. I haven't had any since.
 
Some chiropractors are good at what they do, some are totally delusional, it all depends on where you are and which one you see... the same can be said about a lot of medical professionals.
As long as you're seeing one with proper medical qualifications, you should be in good hands.

I've had a chiropractor notice that I had a couple of misaligned joints in my body which the other doctors at the hospital failed to notice, they did a bit of work to temporarily reduce the trouble those joints were causing me and then got me referred to have them properly corrected with surgery at the hospital.
 
I guess you do live in another country. Why you'd doubt their ability to realign a partly dislocated spine must be down to lack of experience or chiropractor incompetence.

AFAIK they're don't suddenly acquire magical abilities just because they're based in Australia instead. They seem to be well and truly into quack territory there too, though a small minority seem to have fallen out with the rest... still begs the question of why bother when a good Physio can treat you just as easily and without the additional BS?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...gations-of-mismanagement-20150708-gi7qxd.html

Allegations of extravagant pay, poor management and quackery have split the chiropractic fraternity, with a rebel group forming an alternative representative body.

Disgruntled chiropractors have accused their peak body, the Chiropractic Association of Australia, of lurching towards the radical over its sympathy for the anti-vaccination movement and the theory of subluxation, which holds that spinal manipulation can treat illnesses from asthma to heart disease.

Its president-elect is Helen Alevaki, who has admitted in a closed Facebook group to paying "sneaky" visits to Melbourne maternity hospitals to perform spinal adjustments on newborn babies.
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Earlier this week, Queensland authorities investigated a chiropractor who visited Bundaberg Hospital to perform an infant spinal manipulation without staff permission.

But quarrels within the chiropractic community have been magnified by attacks on their credibility by mainstream medicine, with CAA members complaining the peak body has not mounted an effective public relations defence.

There are around 4500 practising chiropractors in Australia, 2500 of whom are members of the CAA.


The breakaway group, Chiropractic Australia, claims already to have 1000 members on its books.

Chiropractic Australia president Rod Bonello said his organisation would be premised on chiropractors being non-surgical spinal and musculoskeletal care experts, while the CAA was returning to radical theories such as subluxation.

"Our view is that we shouldn't be based on some fundamentalist beliefs that originated in the 1800s but we should be evidence-based practitioners, just like every other association in Australia," Mr Bonello said.

"We are looking to become full players in the health care system, not some marginal alternative group.
 
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Some chiropractors are good at what they do, some are totally delusional, it all depends on where you are and which one you see... the same can be said about a lot of medical professionals.
As long as you're seeing one with proper medical qualifications, you should be in good hands.

They generally don't have proper medical qualifications, that's why they're chiropractors. I mean you might be able to find one that is also qualified as a Physio or perhaps there is some GP out there who has also trained as a Chiro but if anything that ought to be a red flag.

I'd certainly not draw any equivalence with regards to there being some bad/some good just like other medical peeps... there is a huge difference between someone practicing evidence based medicine and the existence of say some bad apples that get referred to the GMC and some Chiros whose very field is based on nonsense and whose governing body is full of people who've drunk the Kool aid too.
 
Physios are ok when you have (can afford to waste) the time (and money / earning time) to do exercises that will eventually (in some cases) get for example your back into alignment.

However, I find their refusal to put your back back in when it takes less than a minute to do a mark of (allied) medical neglect.

And, of course, when you are more well muscled, toned and fitter in fact than a pentathlete - talk of 'physio' for a partly dislocated bone is simply nonsense - all you need is a bone-quack / chiro to pop it back in for you. And you're fully back at work, and fully functional in less time than it takes for some inexperienced / non-user of their services to post gawd knows how many posts based on pure ignorance. You'd be laughed off any construction site (or pub) in Australia.
 
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Should throw in the "creepy Chiropractor" advert that went viral... AFAIK in the USA they actually get some sort of "doctorate" degree, in the UK they don't but seem to adopt "Dr" as a courtesy title anyway.:

 
Physios are ok when you have (can afford to waste) the time (and money / earning time) to do exercises that will eventually (in some cases) get for example your back into alignment.

In other words, a physio will actually treat the root cause and isn't just a quick and temporary fix. The whole foundation of chiropractors is quackery!
 
Some of what they do i suppose could have some benefits, though when you get certain chiro's saying that their asthma was cured because of it...smells a little pishy at that point.
 
The quackery is in expecting an expert at only putting your partly-dislocated bones back in place to be more than that. Their opinion on anything else, other than referring you to a medical expert if they can't help, is worth no more than anyone else's opinion.

The gas and inflammation claim referred to by the OP - I've never heard anything like it from or about a chiro. That's why we have GP's and scores of other medical specialists.
 
There's a reason chiro is banned in a lot of European countries, but the UK will try anything for a laugh and they get to call themselves doctors. Lunacy
 
Speaking from my own experience, a physio is a qualified medical practitioner, that has spent years learning their skills and will not give you an exercise to do that is likely to make the situation worse.

A chiropractor, isn't.

It is just an 'alternative' medicine, much like homeopathy, and mumbojumbo.
 
Street, consider the root cause of a suddenly dislocated back bone being an accident - a personal case - one of very many - you tell me how a physio could have been so efficient (cost-effective) or timely at reducing my pain and putting the bone back in so that I was back productively at work (fully rehabilitated) and well *within the hour* of it occurring.
 
And, of course, when you are more well muscled, toned and fitter in fact than a pentathlete - talk of 'physio' for a partly dislocated bone is simply nonsense - all you need is a bone-quack / chiro to pop it back in for you. And you're fully back at work, and fully functional in less time than it takes for some inexperienced / non-user of their services to post gawd knows how many posts based on pure ignorance. You'd be laughed off any construction site (or pub) in Australia.

Yes I'm a non-user of their services but I'm not posting based on ignorance rather I'm making reference to facts/evidence (or indeed lack of evidence) - I think that is the important thing here, much better than random anecdotes from people who've been suckered in by them.

Whether or not some bogans on a construction site in Oz would scoff at the idea isn't really relevant, I don't doubt that some African tribesmen might scoff at the idea that their revered witchdoctor/healer person is a load of bunk too... I don't need to use the services of an African witchdoctor to dismiss his magic healing ceremonies and decide I'll stick with my GP and evidence based medicine.
 
"Bogans in Oz". Lol You are acting quite the item. This thread was intended as satire or irony I can only assume. Or its happy-hour on your side of the pond.

What do you think champion weightlifters (eg. powerlifting champions) in Oz do when they put their back-bone out and need it fixed quickly and efficiently? ie. In 30 minutes or less.
 
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