Are chiropractors quacks?

jsmoke said:
Apparently you build up gases and inflammation in the body that they can release. I don't have any particular pains but then maybe I do and just don't really know it.

Anybody tried it?
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I heard you can get good results with joss sticks and healing crystals. So I read that jade is supposed to be good for healing rheumatoid pain in your fourth toe, right foot, whereas rubbing aventurine on your anus is better for restoring your intestinal micro biome.

And you can't beat a bit of tiger penis for clearing cancer right up.
 
What about that very famous video of the kid with a completely bent posture who could barely walk?the chiro fixed him apparently. Is it complete rubbish then, was it a fake?
 
I've had a bit of trouble with may back for several years and have no idea what the cause was. I ended up tweaking it badly by playing with the dog and struggled to walk for the best part of 2 weeks! That was in July 2018.

I rested as much as I could and things had improved before I had my first appointment. However, I was impressed by the examination he performed and relieved when he told me that the issues with my back were 'mechanical.' Essentially, I had strained it a few years ago, and by trying to protect it by limiting its range of movement, the muscles had stiffened up and lost flexibility. Therefore, when playing with the dog I'd stretched them in ways they hadn't been stretched in about 3 years.

In any case, he gave me some simple stretching exercises to do and they've worked for me. I can still tweak my back, but it's much better than it was. For me the visit was worthwhile and my only regret is that I didn't go to him about 3 years earlier!
 
I have issues with my lower back which can affect the curve of my spine, right up to my neck. So i suffer alternating back and neck issues. I visited a chiro when my lower back had seized and not got any better. I was suffering agonizing spasms everytime I sneezed, or moved in bed, forcing me to grip the bed post and ride out the pain.
When I saw the chiro, he snapped my neck (like in the video) and rebalanced my lower spine by throwing his weight onto my hip. This was not a placebo, as I was suffering from my lower spine being trapped in my pelvis, causing twisting along my back.
I believe that some chiropractors are very good at bone-setting, that is, they can identify & correct issues relating to points in our skeleton structure that may be misaligned or containing crappy deposits between the joints.
Since my diagnosis 5 years ago, I do yoga styled exercises and try some of the techniques when I can feel my body seizing up.
 
builder22 said:
'quack's' in the same way that a mechanic would view a main dealer mechanic, or a PC enthusiast would view the prices at Currys/KnowHow team

maybe?

bleurghhh (self releasing the gas :p)
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Main dealer mechanics and the prices at Currys won't kill you. A chiropractor might. Also, main dealer mechanics don't claim to be able to cure heart attacks by yanking your bones around. A chiropractor might. Also, main dealer mechanics have to have at least some training in fixing vehicles. A chiropractor doesn't require any medical training at all.

Some chiropractors might well be competent physiotherapists, but it's not a requirement. Some chiropractors are full-on quacks. Some chiropractors kill people. It's not a safe thing to do.
 
Never seen a chiropractor but had 2 sessions with a osteopath a few years ago when I had a bad shoulder from the gym. It definitely helped at the time
 
builder22 said:
fair enough...I've not researched it and didn't realise there were any risks involved!
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Suddenly applying large amounts of force to a person's body carries a risk. I wasn't exaggerating about the possibility of being killed. It has happened, usually due to a major blood vessel being damaged. Other serious harm has been done, some permanent.

Some examples:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20642715

When a medical paper states "Main Outcome Measure: Death", it's not a good sign.

https://edzardernst.com/2019/11/death-by-chiropractic-thoughts-about-the-sad-case-of-mr-lawler/

He had a pain in his leg. The chiropractor broke his neck. He died.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/stroke-death-from-chiropractic-neck-manipulation/

https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/...e-neck-did-cause-katie-mays-death-from-stroke

http://whatstheharm.net/chiropractic.html A summary of 312 cases of injury up to and including death.

Given that there is no reliable evidence of any benefit (anecdotes are poor evidence), the risk/benefit analysis is clear. If chiropractic "treatment" was a genuine medical treatment, held to medical standards, it wouldn't be allowed.
 
A chiropractor caused the most pain I've ever felt in my body when he snapped my neck after a neck/shoulder injury. It hurt so much I screamed out in pain and he shuffled me out of there so fast you wouldn't believe. Completely upset the calm nature of his practice.

His assistant also gave me "special water" to help with the x-ray, and surprise surprise, I had quite a bit of "subluxation".

I went to an actual doctor, had an MRI and immediately confirmed a tear in my superior labrum.

Lesson learned, chiropractors are dangerous and don't lower basketball hoops to 7ft so you can slam dunk and hang from the ring.

Blah blah anecdote.
 
I notice those untrained in scientific method are enjoying getting their jollies out of calling actual positive case evidence that disprove the universal negative claim mere 'anecdotes'.

A high-school level logic student (16 yo) would rightly and soundly fart in the face of that reasoning.

It only takes *one* positive case to invalidate the "it's all quackery" argument. And that's been done.

On a positive note, it is clear some posters in the thread have a very high attitude and characteristics (trait) match that will enable them to be actual successful placebo treatment cases (for a general wide scope - but not all - of medical treatments).

That's a fortunate position to be in, both personally and for the economy.
 
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What might be relevant is knowing that there is an accepted medical practice that is practiced by all of the three related types of medical treatment providers mentioned in this thread:

Osteopath: provides SMT
Physiotherapist: can provide SMT
Chiropractor: provides SMT

SMT: Spinal Manipulation Therapy

To be registered as a clinical Chiropractor in Australia requires 5-6 years of university education - though this hasn't always been the case. Also, current entry recommendations for A-level in Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths haven't also always been the case either. Uni core subjects include anatomy (including cadaver studies)- neurology, biomechanics, etc.

The entry by the royal australian college of gp's page on Osteopath indicates similarities and differences between Osteopaths and Chiropractors:

https://www.racgp.org.au/afp/2014/april/osteopathy/

e: I've no real interest in this topic, but it did motivate me to discover some interesting differences and educate myself on the strengths and breadth of helpful scope of the three providers mentioned above.

Also, it confirmed my suspicions (and experience as a customer), that Chiro is mainly useful for the simpler mechanical mis-alignment (only) problems.

I was surprised to see however that international student training costs (5-6 years uni) for Chiropractic are AUD$180,000 plus.
 
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Chiropractic is re-aligining the spine without drugs and surgery.
I owe my life to the profession where I`m back to running 4-5 times a week and my tinitus has gone.
**** the critics; it makes me laugh when they say its sicentifically unproven- A chiropractic degree is 20 percent more intense than medicine- I`m a chemist btw!
The same dumb ***** who put their faith in the NHS- the reason NHS dont endorse is cost- same goes for the drug companies.
I`ve also worked for the a big FTSE top 10 pharma company and its money-related as far as not supporting the Chiropractic Council.
I can testify my spine is much healthier over several years treatment and maintenance care once very 2-3 months.
Open your eyes- the amount of GPs I`ve seen secretly visiting chiropractors first thing in the morning is funny too!
Also theres no overnight instant fix- re-aligining the spine takes many months and a few years as the spine relapses tot he subluxations owing to memory.
The spine is an extension of the brain afterall!
I was 27 years old and a very active runner when I had a dysfunction of my lumbar region but thanks to chiroparctic care my spine is in better shape than most people.
I`m 47 now and still go running 4-5 times a week and am more active than most people of my age.
Life is full of inspiration and its not until you`re faced with a bad back that you have to look beyond the NHS- who really are a crisis care service,
You want quality of life- you have to pay for it!
 
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Also I`ve witnessed first hand on chiorpractic care helping with IBS as the ganglions regulating organ function are ultimately connected to the spine- any pinch on any area of the spine can affect organs.
 
Wait... a chiropractor got rid of your tinnitus? Please elaborate.


I've had 3 slipped discs and a number of tears all around my spine. I've seen many different people, had many different procedures, done a million different exercises... you know who was the best out of all of them? A young sports physio. Oh man, I'd let her have hands on me twice weekly :D

In all seriousness though, chiros don't concentrate on the surrounding muscles enough and physios are the opposite regarding the spine.

Lots of different issues for backs, different causes have different solutions.


For me personally, sports physio got me up and running and gymming again, doctors just told me they don't want to operate because I'm too young, that's that.
 
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