I'm struggling to find sympathy for these people

Minusorange said:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118057679/white-island-volcano-erupts-in-the-bay-of-plenty



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Why would you want to walk inside the crater of an active volcano ? :confused:

Of all the stupid things you can do, surely this is listed pretty high ? I could understand if maybe they were walking round the rim of it, but to walk in the spot which is most likely to go boom just seems stupid of the highest order ?
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Not a nice person are you? Have you ever heard of adventure?

Rip those that have died..
 
Em3bbs said:
This is the thing, as a tourist I'd trust someone or a tour company with local knowledge, even if something perceived as slightly 'risky'. I feel very sorry for the tourists involved here.
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Exactly this. Horrible way to go, hopefully it was quick.
 
koolpc said:
Not a nice person are you? Have you ever heard of adventure?
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in his partial defense ... due diligence before such an activity, the raised level had been signalled on the web, I would think you'd look,
the a137max too, or a holiday on the beach in Indonesia, MMR vaccine, rollercoasters, people trekking up everest, accidents in suv's...
maybe people are less able to evaluate risk, because they don't encounter them now in their everyday lives.
If you regularly do activities that present life risk maybe you contemplate more.
 
Quartz said:
Tell me, have you been to Yellowstone? Much of the area is the crater. And Yelowstone is active.
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Not really a fair comparison seeing as though Yellowstone only pops every few hundred thousand years, compared to this one which popped 3 years ago and 3 years before that

Would you walk inside the crater of Krakatoa ? or Etna ? Because they're more fair comparisons in terms of "active" volcanoes

Even Mt Rainier and St Helens are relatively safer compared to this one when it comes to walking around them
 
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VincentHanna said:
If a volcano hadn't erupted for 6 years, I'd probably (naively?) assume it was fairly safe.
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Personally, I'd want at least 600 years since the last eruption before I'd consider it fairly safe and then only after checking what was known about it and how well it was being monitored. 6 years without any eruption is nothing for most types of volcano.
 
Quartz said:
Tell me, have you been to Yellowstone? Much of the area is the crater. And Yelowstone is active.
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I'd honestly be a little leery about Yellowstone myself not sure I'd not go though - while it seems to be in a more active period there aren't significant signs of it ramping to an eruption within the next few decades and chances of a sudden change reasonably low though not impossible.
 
I do have sympathy for them but at the same time I completely understand what the OP means. why risk your life for something so trivial.

Reminds me of the solo free climber that dropped 1000ft recently and died. Ok cool you can climb without any safety. So what, worth risking your life for it? No way.
 
Minusorange said:
Would you walk inside the crater of Krakatoa ? or Etna ? Because they're more fair comparisons in terms of "active" volcanoes
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Iwill repeat that I have walked inside the caldera of an active volcano. More than one, actually. Mt Bromo being the most famous, and I walked on the rim of the inner caldera (there are two).
 
stockhausen said:
I'm not at all sure whether this means that you do or don't have sympathy for people who don't "do activities that present life risk" (crossing the road, etc.)
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I mean - people have become less discerning to evaluating risk, ( assuming others do it for them ?) and don't do due diligence, based on facts.
whereas those doing some activity that does present a life risk are more cognisant, of that diligence.

Quartz said:
Iwill repeat that I have walked inside the caldera of an active volcano. More than one, actually. Mt Bromo being the most famous, and I walked on the rim of the inner caldera
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did you review actitivy data ? if the actitivty was elevated for the last month, and it had not been similarly elevated since the last eruption, you would presumably not have gone.
 
Quartz said:
Iwill repeat that I have walked inside the caldera of an active volcano. More than one, actually. Mt Bromo being the most famous, and I walked on the rim of the inner caldera (there are two).
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Good for you, I have too, there's a great many volcanoes that are relatively safe to visit, this isn't one of them, likewise I wouldn't visit Krakatoa beyond a boat trip, walking in the crater of a volcano that has erupted in the last decade is just asking for trouble, just like ice skating on a frozen pond/lake in the UK is asking for trouble (apart from those extreme winters we had in 2009/10)
 
Mt. Bromo - from site i referenced earlier http://www.decadevolcano.net/volcanoes/indonesia/tengger_caldera/bromo.htm
11 June 2004 (updated 17 Sept. 2004):
Apparently without much warning (or no detected precursors), the well-known Bromo volcano, visited each day by many tourists, erupted suddenly in what appears a small vulcanian eruption (sudden explosion caused by overpressured gas and magma trapped beneath a plug in the vent) on 8 June,15.15pm Java time. Unfortunately, the eruption killed two people and injured several ones, probably all of them being surprised by the sudden explosion while visiting the crater or the area nearby.
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Its all fun and games until you get ass blasted by a volcano.
Shocking that tours were allowed to run, shocking that the government of NZ have failed to secure an ACTIVE volcano, instead just letting it be used for financial gain.
a lot of questions, of which im sure very few will be answered and no-one held accountable....Tours will be back running within a year no doubt.
 
It's unfortunate, and could have been avoided but too many people want to legislate everything away.
As long as people know the risks, understand the risks can happen to them, and sign a waiver. Let them live more adventurous lives.
 
robfosters said:
What would the actual cause of death be? Have they burned to death or more likely to have died from falling or being hit by ejected debris?
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Depends on the type of eruption which isn't specified here. If its ash then choking and asphyxiation once the ash gets in the lungs it basically turns into cement on contact with moisture or it could be falling debris which range from dust to boulders the size of houses, if its pyroclastic flow then simultaneously roasted and asphyxiation.
 
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