I'm struggling to find sympathy for these people

R.P.L · 10 Dec 2019 at 17:26

Emlyn_Dewar said:
It's unfortunate, and could have been avoided but too many people want to legislate everything away.
As long as people know the risks, understand the risks can happen to them, and sign a waiver. Let them live more adventurous lives.

This. I'm all in favour of grown adults being allowed to take risks, even if it goes wrong once in a while.

jpaul · 10 Dec 2019 at 18:52

on that note ! https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/11...nt-waiver-their-way-out-of-safety-obligations

Any waivers signed by tour guides or tourists travelling to White Island would not make a difference to tour operators' legal obligation to provide a safe environment for their staff and customers.

maybe not true ?
since I can't believe that for the recent deaths on MtBromo, a tour operator would be held responsible, if, with *no* notice the volcanoe was known to erupt/kill

People have to be able to understand the risks, if like Mt Bromo you told people you have a 1 in 1000(3years) chance the volcanoe might erupt on the day you visit ... would you go ?.

Minusorange · 10 Dec 2019 at 21:06

jpaul said:
would you go ?.

To visit the volcano and walk around it, sure

To walk inside the crater ? Not a chance

It's like going to the zoo and then deciding to jump into the pens just to get up close to the animals

Pawnless Endgame · 10 Dec 2019 at 21:29

Minusorange said:
It's like going to the zoo and then deciding to jump into the pens just to get up close to the animals

Awww but the cuddly animals are so cute and kawaii AMIRITE?!!11

jpaul · 10 Dec 2019 at 22:03

holy moly https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...volcano-tour-australian-victims-took/11783254

serious stuff

'Gas masks help you get up close'
Passengers opting for the "White Island Volcano Experience Cruise" start their trip with a scenic boat ride along the Bay of Plenty.

Inflatable Zodiac crafts then take passengers "directly into the crater complex", according to a brochure seen by the ABC.

"Since the majority of the volcano sits beneath the sea, you head straight to the action without much, if any, climbing at all," the brochure says.

Breathing apparatus and gas masks are handed out so the tourists can see the volcanic activity firsthand.

A tweet by Scott Kelly, who took a helicopter trip to the island last year, shows visitors wearing gas masks

well, you do carry safety equipment on some sports - eg. arva+pel for off-piste skiing

recent article about the higher mortality of firemen, particularly lung issues, due they believe to occupational exposure to carcinogenes from burning fuel during fire training.