URGENT DUE TO TIME LIMITED ONLINE OFFER: 6TB NAS Drives vs 10TB NAS drives Prices?

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I'd have a external drive for local backups, and a cloud backup service for safety. I can't tell you which, because I havent done the research.
RAID 5 [3 drives] or RAID0+1 [4 drives] is your local storage, a regular external drive for your daily / weekly backup schedule, and an SSD is your scratch/working drive.
With cloud for "Oh **** my studio caught fire"

As I wrote above, cloud is way too expensive for me.

It won't be external drive. It will be external driveS as I will need to begin with 20TB of backup drives for the 20TB NAS drives.

So back to my first post, can you please answer those questions?

Thanks
 
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Can afford to buy an expensive synology NAS and fill it with drives but can't budget for 10$ a month for something like Backblaze or an Amazon S3 bucket? If you're saying your broadband connection can't cope with the amount you'd need to upload, then that I do understand.

I don't see the point in a paying for a 6 bay NAS and filling it with smaller drives. You get the biggest drives you can and use less of them.
Noise and electricity cost are negligable vs the price of multiple TB of hard drive.

How many external drives you need is again upto you, what backup strategy are you going to use, what size are they, how often you take a backup etc.
 
X are selling 6TB WD RED's for £123 each. It is a time limited offer and I do not know when it will end, so please reply fast, thanks......

My advice would be this. Have a look HERE.
The WD Red drives you are referring to @ £123, whilst being a cheap price for that specific drive, do not represent the best value across the entire storage spectrum that is accessible to you as a consumer. In fact they are at the time of writing this, 36th place in the list of value in terms of pence per gigabyte across the default filtered view on the above link. (EDIT: Default view stupidly enabled used drives so turn that off, makes it 19th.)

Shucking drives....not going to get into a debate about it but I've been doing it for years and saved a lot doing it. The white labelled drives have been widely regarded as relabelled reds. Maybe there is some binning going on but for most people that do this, it's about buying the cheapest at the time and chucking them in a server. If they fail, they fail. Buy another cheap one. Ideally understand that RAID is not a backup, rather convenience, and that you should consider buying from different sources rather than 6 drives from the same place at the same time (if possible).

.........Will 6x6TB drives consume a lot more electricity than 3x10TB?
Any 6 x 6TB drive combo will consume more electricity than any 3 x 10TB combo on the market right now to my knowledge (EDIT: that the average consumer would buy I mean, i.e. non enterprise stuff), given the same load I mean. Having said that if we want to be strict, then some power save at idle better and some have more aggressive park/rest modes (which can actually be more annoying in server duties).


Will 6x6 produce a lot more noise than 3x10?

It depends more on the drives. I certainly would not base any purchase decision on minimizing number of drives to prevent noise. It would be more beneficial to buy quieter drives in the first place if noise is important.
 
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Can afford to buy an expensive synology NAS and fill it with drives but can't budget for 10$ a month for something like Backblaze or an Amazon S3 bucket? If you're saying your broadband connection can't cope with the amount you'd need to upload, then that I do understand.

I don't see the point in a paying for a 6 bay NAS and filling it with smaller drives. You get the biggest drives you can and use less of them.
Noise and electricity cost are negligable vs the price of multiple TB of hard drive.

How many external drives you need is again upto you, what backup strategy are you going to use, what size are they, how often you take a backup etc.

30TB for Google Drive is £240 A MONTH. Thats £2,280 for just one year and you do not own the storage ever.

A synology is £780. How are you even comparing the two?! + The drives and it's still less and I own it. No monthly payments to access and write to.

If noise and electricity are negligible than why shouldn't I go for the 6x6TB which atm works out to giving me 10TB more space?

Did you read my first post in this thread properly?
 
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My advice would be this. Have a look HERE.
The WD Red drives you are referring to @ £123, whilst being a cheap price for that specific drive, do not represent the best value across the entire storage spectrum that is accessible to you as a consumer. In fact they are at the time of writing this, 36th place in the list of value in terms of pence per gigabyte across the default filtered view on the above link. (EDIT: Default view stupidly enabled used drives so turn that off, makes it 19th.)

That site you linked barely has any drives on it. Almost all WD RED's are missing.
There are no numbers next to the drives so no idea how you got it's 36th.

I am not trying to find the cheapest drive ever. I outlined my queries in the first post. You are going off road here.

Shucking drives....not going to get into a debate about it but I've been doing it for years and saved a lot doing it. The white labelled drives have been widely regarded as relabelled reds. Maybe there is some binning going on but for most people that do this, it's about buying the cheapest at the time and chucking them in a server. If they fail, they fail. Buy another cheap one. Ideally understand that RAID is not a backup, rather convenience, and that you should consider buying from different sources rather than 6 drives from the same place at the same time (if possible).

Far too much hassle and more expensive in the long run.

Everyone has gone off road and not addressed the main question of my intial post. What drive setup to buy.
There are things specific to me that I wrote about such as WD giving me 25% off and 1 year extra warranty.

Please read the first post again and reply.

thanks
 
I do not want to shuck drives.That was someone else that wrote that. My data is mission critical. But I am only one person starting a YouTube channel. So I do not have enterprise amounts of money.
So my use case is I am starting a YouTube channel and I have 5 years of footage.
I do not want to lose a single video or file, hence mission critical.
Then you will need to pay mission critical prices and stop trying to cut corners.

As I wrote above, cloud is way too expensive for me.
So your data isn't really mission critical, otherwise you would be following a 3-2-1 backup strategy.

30TB for Google Drive is £240 A MONTH. Thats £2,280 for just one year and you do not own the storage ever.
Nope but if your house burns down, or your I.T. equipment is stolen then at least you have a backup of your "mission critical" data

A synology is £780. How are you even comparing the two?! + The drives and it's still less and I own it. No monthly payments to access and write to.
You don't need a Synology to have local storage for your video files. If your data is truly mission critical then you do need offsite backup.

Did you read my first post in this thread properly?
Am i going about all of this in the wrong way?
Yes we read the first the post, and yes you are going about it the wrong way - you seem set on ignoring good advice though and just look to be justifying a bad decision that you've already made.

I'm out. Good luck
I thought I was out after the first thread, but I keep coming back :)
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/what-nas-for-starting-youtube-channel.18871737
 
Then you will need to pay mission critical prices and stop trying to cut corners.


So your data isn't really mission critical, otherwise you would be following a 3-2-1 backup strategy.


Nope but if your house burns down, or your I.T. equipment is stolen then at least you have a backup of your "mission critical" data


You don't need a Synology to have local storage for your video files. If your data is truly mission critical then you do need offsite backup.



Yes we read the first the post, and yes you are going about it the wrong way - you seem set on ignoring good advice though and just look to be justifying a bad decision that you've already made.


I thought I was out after the first thread, but I keep coming back :)
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/what-nas-for-starting-youtube-channel.18871737

When starting out no one can afford that.

No one has said what I outlined in my intial post is wrong. In fact I think its you that said get 3x10TB and a NAS earlier in this thread.

I cannot afford cloud. It costs thousands every year. I do not have that money.

My data is mission critical. A lot of my videos and audio recordings are of emotional abuse against me from my parents (to be used in court when I tell the police everything) and the all are critical for me to have an income.

How am I going about it the wrong way? What is wrong with my intial post setup idea?
 
That site you linked barely has any drives on it. Almost all WD RED's are missing.
There are no numbers next to the drives so no idea how you got it's 36th.

I am not trying to find the cheapest drive ever. I outlined my queries in the first post. You are going off road here.

Forgive me for linking you to a website that I thought might help with your purchase decision. I didn't promise it to be the bible of all HDDs listed. If you took a minute to read the FAQ of the site it would probably answer your questions like why it doesn't have certain drives. It's 36th because I can count and/or use excel. I did edit this anyway and state that the default filtering includes used drives which is obviously a bit silly. Anyway...forget it.

Far too much hassle and more expensive in the long run.

Ok, I'll bite. How is it more expensive in the long run then? It could be. Could not. Depends on failures. It's not hassle to shuck a drive. I can shuck a drive and preserve the enclosure in a couple of minutes. We're just offering advice here on something you may want to consider.


Everyone has gone off road and not addressed the main question of my intial post. What drive setup to buy.
There are things specific to me that I wrote about such as WD giving me 25% off and 1 year extra warranty.

Please read the first post again and reply.

We all read your initial post. Sometimes additional discussion forms as part of a thread. It's a 1st world problem which are you demanding we must urgently answer for you very specifically, whilst shouting down any discussion which doesn't spell out which of your two options to take, regardless as to whether they are possibly both wrong. Frankly your attitude stinks and I cba either now.
 
When starting out no one can afford that.
But you can afford a Synology NAS, and a load of hard drives?

My data is mission critical. A lot of my videos and audio recordings are of emotional abuse against me from my parents (to be used in court when I tell the police everything) and the all are critical for me to have an income.
So can you afford the cost of losing this data or not? If the answer is no then you need to look at an offsite or cloud backup option.
What happens when all these important recordings are lost when you get a virus or the NAS gets cryptolockered?

No one has said what I outlined in my intial post is wrong. In fact I think its you that said get 3x10TB and a NAS earlier in this thread.
It's not that it's wrong, but if your budget is that tight then you need to look more closely at your requirements:

- How much space do you actually need?
- It doesn't need to be a NAS - 4x 10TB External USB drives would be fine - you would just have to manually duplicate the data between each pair of drives
- You don't have to have cloud backup, it could be offsite anywhere other than at your home - e.g. take one of those USB drives and store it at a friend or family members house, or at work etc.
- You say you are producing Youtube videos? If so then surely once they are uploaded to your channel then that is a form of cloud backup in itself (although equally not infallible as youtube videos can be taken down etc)


I cannot afford cloud. It costs thousands every year. I do not have that money.
Even if you do go down your NAS route, then you need a 2nd form of backup e.g. USB Hard Drives as well which no doubt you cannot afford.

A NAS is not a backup.
RAID is not a backup.
 
Forgive me for linking you to a website that I thought might help with your purchase decision. I didn't promise it to be the bible of all HDDs listed. If you took a minute to read the FAQ of the site it would probably answer your questions like why it doesn't have certain drives. It's 36th because I can count and/or use excel. I did edit this anyway and state that the default filtering includes used drives which is obviously a bit silly. Anyway...forget it.

Ok, I'll bite. How is it more expensive in the long run then? It could be. Could not. Depends on failures. It's not hassle to shuck a drive. I can shuck a drive and preserve the enclosure in a couple of minutes. We're just offering advice here on something you may want to consider.

We all read your initial post. Sometimes additional discussion forms as part of a thread. It's a 1st world problem which are you demanding we must urgently answer for you very specifically, whilst shouting down any discussion which doesn't spell out which of your two options to take, regardless as to whether they are possibly both wrong. Frankly your attitude stinks and I cba either now.

You didn't tell me anything else about that site but you implied it would have answers.
No one should have to count. That is too much effort in 2019. They should be numbered IF that is important info to have.

Not a hassle?:
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The elements may well be WD Red or HGST in 8+ sizes -but I'm not entirely convinced by the shucking thing.

Firstly you get 1 year less warranty right out the gate, and you have to keep all the bits and reassemble it should you claim, and risk warranty void if damage it (different in the U.S where you can just send back the drive). They also have 3.2 pin 3 issue, so if your controller doesn't support it, you have got to mess around with an adapter cable or tape.

In the smaller sizes they will be Blue/Green drives, only in the larger sizes might they be HGST/RED - the paranoid part of me also wonders if the white label drives are "binned" or remanufactured units, due to the nature of the application.

Seems like a lot of hassle for a lottery. I was tempted on black Friday when the 8TB elements were down to £110 - but in the end I just bought the bare drives, so at least I know what I'm getting.

Not more expensive?! ONLY 30TB of Google drive is £2,880 a year. That is not including any price increase. How can you think it is not more expensive!? Heck if we follow the 321 then it's an ADDITIONAL cost. I DO NOT have that much money.

Why is that so hard for you all to understand despite me saying it multiple times?!

'1st world problem' - Such privilege-checking becomes a more violent intervention when demanded by someone else. If, after listening to your pathetic account of how your Uber cab took a whole 10 minutes to arrive, I respond “first world problem”, then I am aggressively staking out the moral high ground and portraying myself (almost certainly dishonestly) as someone who only ever worries about the plight of starving children. Naturally, our powers of sympathy are limited and we all conduct psychic triage on the sufferings of others. But when “first world problem” is just a mealy mouthed way of saying “shut up”, it sounds distinctly compassion-free.

YOUR 'attitude stinks'. Not mine. I didn't demand.
 
But you can afford a Synology NAS, and a load of hard drives?


So can you afford the cost of losing this data or not? If the answer is no then you need to look at an offsite or cloud backup option.
What happens when all these important recordings are lost when you get a virus or the NAS gets cryptolockered?


It's not that it's wrong, but if your budget is that tight then you need to look more closely at your requirements:

- How much space do you actually need?
- It doesn't need to be a NAS - 4x 10TB External USB drives would be fine - you would just have to manually duplicate the data between each pair of drives
- You don't have to have cloud backup, it could be offsite anywhere other than at your home - e.g. take one of those USB drives and store it at a friend or family members house, or at work etc.
- You say you are producing Youtube videos? If so then surely once they are uploaded to your channel then that is a form of cloud backup in itself (although equally not infallible as youtube videos can be taken down etc)



Even if you do go down your NAS route, then you need a 2nd form of backup e.g. USB Hard Drives as well which no doubt you cannot afford.

A NAS is not a backup.
RAID is not a backup.

I know RAID is not a backup. Jesus man the font size is overkill that you used for that.

Backup drives are cheap. I can get 12TB WD Elements for £190 each. 2 of those for now will be enough. Heck I could even get 3 which would = 36TB. But 30TB Google drive is £250 a MONTH. When you stop paying you lose the ability to write to google drive, although I think your data is never deleted.

Yh I am considering the 4x 10 or 12 TB WD Elements, but then I read that using the elements daily makes them die fast as there's no fan to cool them in the enclosure. Also to begin with for a few months I need to organise the 5 years of videos and other files. So the drive/s will be in constant use at first.
Also surely USB 3.0 is slower than SATA, or is the drive going to be the bottleneck rather than the interface?

Other concern is drive spin up and down count is more important than hours on. If I went down the 4x external drive route, I would be buying them all at the same time from WD directly. I will not split my purchase as I have 2x 25% off vouchers that are one time use only.

How much space? 15TB as of right now + at least another 15TB for the edited videos once I get around to editing them. But that will take years to edit 5 years of videos. So for now at least 20TB.
 
Raid 5 today, no way Raid 1 or 10.

And WD's new drive make a ticking sound every 5secs that for me an many was a PIA so I went back to my 2015 RED's, ditched the 2017 RED Pros. and dread if these die as the new RED's do it also.
 
All I have to add to this is if you intend to use your videos and audio files as evidence for the police, do not edit them, they will be probably be inadmissible in court and therefore worthless as evidence.

You're better off putting them in a firesafe rather than an expensive NAS.
 
30TB for Google Drive is £240 A MONTH. Thats £2,280 for just one year and you do not own the storage ever.

A synology is £780. How are you even comparing the two?! + The drives and it's still less and I own it. No monthly payments to access and write to.

If noise and electricity are negligible than why shouldn't I go for the 6x6TB which atm works out to giving me 10TB more space?

Did you read my first post in this thread properly?

Late to the party, but considering you’ve missed that GSuite for business is under £8/m, you probably shouldn’t be calling out someone for not reading, heck even if they ever enforced the minimum user limit, it’s still nowhere near the price you think it is. That’s just monumentally stupid.... like using R5 with the drives being discussed.
 
Late to the party, but considering you’ve missed that GSuite for business is under £8/m, you probably shouldn’t be calling out someone for not reading, heck even if they ever enforced the minimum user limit, it’s still nowhere near the price you think it is. That’s just monumentally stupid.... like using R5 with the drives being discussed.


No idea what gsuite for business is, but Google Drive ... you only get 2TB for £8 a month.

What should be used if not RAID 5 because according to the article I linked, no RAID is suitable anymore. Link provided in one of my replies.

I google gsuite for business and there is no price list only a form.

Raid 5 today, no way Raid 1 or 10.

And WD's new drive make a ticking sound every 5secs that for me an many was a PIA so I went back to my 2015 RED's, ditched the 2017 RED Pros. and dread if these die as the new RED's do it also.

Why RIAD 5? Everyone here is saying NOT RAID 5.

All I have to add to this is if you intend to use your videos and audio files as evidence for the police, do not edit them, they will be probably be inadmissible in court and therefore worthless as evidence.

You're better off putting them in a firesafe rather than an expensive NAS.

Well that is obvious. Look at my editing process plan. ALL Original files will be left intact.
 
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