Running XP on Windows 10

Coojeekitten

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I'm planning to build a new pc which will be running W10P.

I have some old accounting software which I've been using on my current W7P computer in XP Mode.

What is the best (no cheapest) way to run XP on a W10P pc? I'm assuming some sort of Virtual PC? Is so, which one is best?
 
Virtual box is pretty good for vm
Though personally I would add a second hard drive too and have xp on that as a fall back solution in case anything goes wrong with your vm or windows 10 install
 
what is the accounting software?

The best way is to get it all loaded up in a virtual OS of XP, then figure out how to export your data and start using something more up to date.

The issue here isn't XP, it's the fact you are relying on some really old software and it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong and you're screwed.

Look at QuickBooks and get your accounts moved over.

if you don't want to pay, look at opensource accounting software.
 
Coojeekitten said:
I'll check out Virtual Box.

I'm having 4 drives already. OS, Project, Scratch, Data.
Yes it should dual boot
But I always have them on separate boot records as it's safer
Ie only have the drive you are installing xp or whatever operating system on connected when installing
Then I can just press the boot menu key if want to boot to a different drive

And xp is obviously well outdated and won't get security updates
Though leaving it disconnected from Internet could be an option depending on your usage
And that's assuming your new hardware will have enough drivers available to run xp
Just to install xp on modern hardware may involve adding something to the xp iso or f6/add a driver during installation ~can't quite remember now as not done it lately
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AHarvey said:
what is the accounting software?

The best way is to get it all loaded up in a virtual OS of XP, then figure out how to export your data and start using something more up to date.

The issue here isn't XP, it's the fact you are relying on some really old software and it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong and you're screwed.

Look at QuickBooks and get your accounts moved over.

if you don't want to pay, look at opensource accounting software.
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This, I would not rely too much on such old software if I were you. I(f it goes wrong it won't be supported and you may well be stuck.
 
I use an old version of Quickbooks for business & an old version of Quicken for personal accounts, along with an old Dreamweaver. My old Dreamweaver may well run in W10, I'm not sure.

I have many years of history within Quickbooks & Quicken. I know them inside out. The new Quickbooks is £20pm (Essentials) & I don't think I can replace Quicken. £20pm for no real advantage is just crazy for me.

Mcnumpty2323 said:
And that's assuming your new hardware will have enough drivers available to run xp
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I don't understand that bit. Please can you explain further?

linktoinsanity said:
This, I would not rely too much on such old software if I were you. I(f it goes wrong it won't be supported and you may well be stuck.
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Yep, understood. But what do you mean by going wrong?
 
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Does it not work with tweeks made to the application to make it more compatible with native 10?
If not i would use a VM, MS has a windows 10 version for this kind of thing.
 
linktoinsanity said:
Crashes, anything that ends up corrupting the data really.
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True, but a crash can corrupt any data, whether that is new or old software & both need regular backups.

sideways14a said:
Does it not work with tweeks made to the application to make it more compatible with native 10?
If not i would use a VM, MS has a windows 10 version for this kind of thing.
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The software won't even start to install. I was looking at Hyper V to start with, but noticed that it runs all the time that the pc is turned on. This can have a performance hit. So I'm looking at VMware or VirtualBox. Edging slightly towards VMware.
 
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Coojeekitten said:
I use an old version of Quickbooks for business & an old version of Quicken for personal accounts, along with an old Dreamweaver. My old Dreamweaver may well run in W10, I'm not sure.

I have many years of history within Quickbooks & Quicken. I know them inside out. The new Quickbooks is £20pm (Essentials) & I don't think I can replace Quicken. £20pm for no real advantage is just crazy for me.
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no real advantage? I can guarantee any new version of QuickBooks will pee all over an XP version, cloud saving/backups for one, auto filling etc.

However:

Quicken opensource alternatives (windows and linux) https://alternativeto.net/software/quicken/?license=opensource
Quickbooks opensource alternatives (windows and linux) https://alternativeto.net/software/quickbooks/?license=opensource
 
AHarvey said:
no real advantage? I can guarantee any new version of QuickBooks will pee all over an XP version, cloud saving/backups for one, auto filling etc.

However:

Quicken opensource alternatives (windows and linux) https://alternativeto.net/software/quicken/?license=opensource
Quickbooks opensource alternatives (windows and linux) https://alternativeto.net/software/quickbooks/?license=opensource
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Thanks for the links, but you miss the bit about history. I've got probably 25-30 years of history on those 2 items of software. By pee all over... it's accounts software. Same basic requirements since year dot. I don't need auto filling as I have an accountant. I already do backups. I can see no advantage & loads of disadvantage in that I'd lose all my history & therefore comparison data which is nice to have.

Sorry, but I have thought about this, which is why my question was about Virtual PC & not which accounts system should I get.
 
Coojeekitten said:
True, but a crash can corrupt any data, whether that is new or old software & both need regular backups.

The software won't even start to install. I was looking at Hyper V to start with, but noticed that it runs all the time that the pc is turned on. This can have a performance hit. So I'm looking at VMware or VirtualBox. Edging slightly towards VMware.
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Fine if you are sure about this, personally have used VirtualBox in the past with good success, but make sure you do not have an internet connection on the XP machine you set up as you will be putting yourself and others at risk.
 
Coojeekitten said:
Thanks for the links, but you miss the bit about history. I've got probably 25-30 years of history on those 2 items of software. By pee all over... it's accounts software. Same basic requirements since year dot. I don't need auto filling as I have an accountant. I already do backups. I can see no advantage & loads of disadvantage in that I'd lose all my history & therefore comparison data which is nice to have.

Sorry, but I have thought about this, which is why my question was about Virtual PC & not which accounts system should I get.
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You export the history and import into the new software.

Good luck with it but it is a completely mind-boggling attitude to have.
 
Coojeekitten said:
I'll check out Virtual Box.

I'm having 4 drives already. OS, Project, Scratch, Data.

Will Win10 dual boot to a regular (older) os?
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I don't know your motherboard but surely you can install a fifth drive and select that at boot time [F12]?
Having said that, I can't quite see why you need all those drives anyhow - still, your choice, I'm sure you have good reasons for all that racket and power usage;)

As to the other questions, I can't comment, only ever having dual booted between LINUX and Windows (easily done).

ps -I sympathise about XP and "older" software :(
 
Thanks for your reply @stockhausen

I wasn't sure if a Win10 boot will allow a boot into an XP disk, however I don't ideally want to do that as I'd like to be able to run XP within my regular environment. M.2 drives aren't going to make a lot of noise, the multi disks are for efficient Premier Pro usage. It's good to have separate drives for OS, project files & temp files. I've not yet bought the mobo, but it's probably going to be an ASUS X299 Prime 30 edition due to the 3x M.2 sockets & VRM cooling. I'm toying with M.2 RAID for the storage but it's likely to push the cost too high.

I have also dual booted in the past between Linux Mint & Windows, but I find the dual booting process a bit too much of a faff. VMWare looks to be the way to go for me. I really don't understand all the hate.
 
Coojeekitten said:
Thanks for your reply @stockhausen

I wasn't sure if a Win10 boot will allow a boot into an XP disk, however I don't ideally want to do that as I'd like to be able to run XP within my regular environment. M.2 drives aren't going to make a lot of noise, the multi disks are for efficient Premier Pro usage. It's good to have separate drives for OS, project files & temp files. I've not yet bought the mobo, but it's probably going to be an ASUS X299 Prime 30 edition due to the 3x M.2 sockets & VRM cooling. I'm toying with M.2 RAID for the storage but it's likely to push the cost too high.

I have also dual booted in the past between Linux Mint & Windows, but I find the dual booting process a bit too much of a faff. VMWare looks to be the way to go for me. I really don't understand all the hate.
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Some people just have a
"get with the times" attitude
Even once explained your old data may be in a format that won't import into modern software
Or that new software could be a cost you don't want
Or that you actually prefer how the old software works and don't want to start relearning new software
Don't worry over it
As long as what you want to do is doable ~which it should be is main thing
Yours isn't only post about this sort of thing
Main thing with an old OS is making it secure as you can is all
 
Armageus said:
If you are using Windows 10 Pro, you could use the "built-in" Hyper-V Role rather than installing Virtualbox - you can probably even import your existing XPMode Virtual Disk

Some useful info here
https://www.download3k.com/articles...achine-to-Windows-10-or-8-using-Hyper-V-00770
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Thanks, I looked into Hyper-V. But I understand that it runs all the time, whether or not it's in use. As the PC is for video editing, I'd like to be able to close an app & know that it's closed. Hence now looking at VMWare.
 
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