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hominid said:
Already posted in this thread. 'Hint', You won't find it on CNN, the BBC, MSNBC or the Daily Mail.

How do you know that? I'm not by the way as I think independantly, hence a lot of people in this very thread attacking me about it - it would be a lot easier for me to parrot things like the @Croniclard 's and @timmeh 's of the world, that's why all they have is ridicule.

Trump has been busy fighting first the Russian Election meddling conspiracy theory, with the fake Steel dossier, then the impeachment conspiracy theory - I'm waiting for the next thing for Trump to be accused of. And this is what it's for, to keep him busy fighting all these baseless accusations so he doesn't have time to go after the Bidens/Obamas/Kerrys/Pelosis/Hillarys of this world. They are fighting for their lives because if it did all come out, what they have done(the Ukraine holocaust), they would hang for it because it's TREASON(among other things).

Can you tell me who he can trust? He trusts the people he's known for decades, including business partners, over people that may have a vested interest in keeping things quiet, and he'd just taken over and there were still lots of Obama people in places that could still do a lot of damage. I'm sure there are other reasons but they would be pretty high up there.
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Where do we even start with this...

Just a few that spring to mind:

A. Won't post the evidence or links.
B. "Russian Election meddling conspiracy theory" - Not a conspiracy theory in the slightest. Russia did meddle in the US election.
C. Apparently Trump can't/doesn't trust his own appointed AG Barr.
D. "Ukraine holocaust" - lol what?
 
Jono8 said:
Where do we even start with this...
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Just a few that spring to mind:

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A. Won't post the evidence or links.
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As I've said, already posted, if you are too lazy to look then that's on you.
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B. "Russian Election meddling conspiracy theory" - Not a conspiracy theory in the slightest. Russia did meddle in the US election.
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No, it was Democratic projection. They, the Dems via Hillary commisioned and paid for the the Steel Dossier. The same Steel dossier that Ukrainians helped spice up, with Obama telling them to keep in the line about how Trump like getting ****** on by prostitutes'(https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-prostitutes-russia-report-9600442 sorry it's the mirror) - So it was the Dems that tried to interfere(with the help of the Ukrainians) with the US election.
Jono8 said:
C. Apparently Trump can't/doesn't trust his own appointed AG Barr.
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He didn't know WHO to trust, Washington DC is a snake pit..
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D. "Ukraine holocaust" - lol what?
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https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/20/ukraine-protests-truce-eu-leaders/5634235/ 100 people died, 40 were policemen, that's not a lol in my book - what would you call snipers killing 100 people? Massacre?? This is part of the whole, and I don't know everything, but the US, with Obama in control, were behind this.
 
hominid said:
Just a few that spring to mind:

As I've said, already posted, if you are too lazy to look then that's on you.
No, it was Democratic projection. They, the Dems via Hillary commisioned and paid for the the Steel Dossier. The same Steel dossier that Ukrainians helped spice up, with Obama telling them to keep in the line about how Trump like getting ****** on by prostitutes'(https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-prostitutes-russia-report-9600442 sorry it's the mirror) - So it was the Dems that tried to interfere(with the help of the Ukrainians) with the US election.
He didn't know WHO to trust, Washington DC is a snake pit..
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/20/ukraine-protests-truce-eu-leaders/5634235/ 100 people died, 40 were policemen, that's not a lol in my book - what would you call snipers killing 100 people? Massacre?? This is part of the whole, and I don't know everything, but the US, with Obama in control, were behind this.
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None of this is true.
 
hominid, you literally have nothing of substance, all CT and lies. Just like there was nothing of substance on Obama, nothing of substance on Hilary. :)

Its a mental health issue.
 
Jono8 said:
None of this is true.
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Where is your evidence? 100 people didn't die in Ukraine sparking the uprising that overthrew the government of the time? The Dossier, funded by Hillary didn't happen?? Really??? https://www.investors.com/politics/...by-hillary-clinton-as-reason-to-spy-on-trump/ I have nothing, it's even in the f'ing title..

Here's more evidence: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/christopher-steele-admits-dossier-charge-unverifie/
So even the man who created it admits it's rubbish.. But no, nothing to see here as it goes against your narrative.

chroniclard said:
hominid, you literally have nothing of substance, all CT and lies. Just like there was nothing of substance on Obama, nothing of substance on Hilary.
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When you got to Hillary I knew you must have been laughing, she is one of, if not the, dirtiest politicians in recent times and you should be glad she didn't get in.

chroniclard said:
Its a mental health issue.
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I know, you really should get it looked at :D
 
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chroniclard said:
Utter madness, should get on well with Trusty and plasmahal. :)
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I think I would get on well with them, I'll take them out for a beer or 3 - you can come too and I'll buy you a coke and you can play in the back. :D

Roast me!

Two against one and I whooped you both like ginger stepchildren. :D:D
 
I always thought they were the same person, like those couple of russian agents in the SC thread who ended up being banned.
 
hominid said:
Anything to say about the evidence I just posted? No, more jibes as usual. At least try to read them, I know they contain some longer words but with some persistence, and help from mummy, you can do it - I believe in you both!
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Food for thought:

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chroniclard said:
Unsure you would all be allowed day release at the same time for that.
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What about you? I promise to get you home before dark if that's what it takes.. ;)
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Food for thought:
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Not really, it's another snide jab and it shows where you are coming from. It's not intellectual or deep; it's just drivel..

You wanted evidence, I gave you evidence, then, instead of reading and commenting you went back to insults. Nice. All it proves is that you are fixed in your thinking, I get it it's a hard thing to think that what you believe could possibly be wrong, that the news is lying to you, that everything, or at least one of the things, you've based your life on my be a lie - I've been there, I've done it. I'm trying to wake people up.
 
hominid said:
You wanted evidence, I gave you evidence, then, instead of reading and commenting you went back to insults. Nice. All it proves is that you are fixed in your thinking, I get it it's a hard thing to think that what you believe could possibly be wrong, that the news is lying to you, that everything, or at least one of the things, you've based your life on my be a lie - I've been there, I've done it. I'm trying to wake people up.
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Hm, maybe you didn't get it.

In that analogy, you are the one bringing dog **** to the table.

Your "evidence" comes from:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/

However, editorially IBT is clearly a Questionable source with promotion of right wing conspiracy theories and numerous failed fact checks. In sum, we rate them far right biased and Mixed for factual reporting.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-times/

we rate them Right-Center biased overall, and factually mixed due to poor sourcing, holding editorial positions that are contrary to scientific consensus, and failed fact checks.


Biased editorials from questionable sources that can't get their facts straight are not evidence. Neither is putting your own spin or opinions on actual events.
 
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Jono8 said:
Hm, maybe you didn't get it.

In that analogy, you are the one bringing dog **** to the table.
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Oh I got it, hence the snide jab comment.

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Your "evidence" comes from..
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And who runs https://mediabiasfactcheck.com?

So you won't take anything about from a site that a random site, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com , says is bad for some reason? Oh no, I might be corrupted by news that someone doesn't like but I trust him/then as the arbiter of news..

Ok, I'll play your game.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41752908 headline 'Clinton team and Democrats 'bankrolled' Trump dirty dossier' - what does https://mediabiasfactcheck.com say about the bbc.co.uk as a source?

And for the 'unverified Steel dossier':

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...he-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...ier-not-verified-before-or-after-fisa-warrant
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html - Even CNN !!!

What does https://mediabiasfactcheck.com say about Forbes, thehill, CNN?

You know Steel is ex-MI6 right, so not only did they get help from the Ukraine it was all put together by an 'Ex' MI6 officer at the behest of the DNC and Hillary. It was used in the FISA application that wiretapped Trump and key officials in his campaign .. That is the definition of election meddling!

But all a pile of dog-crap, nothing to see here all move along..




Jono8 said:
Biased editorials are not evidence. Neither is putting your own spin or opinions on actual events.
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Again - what are your facts?
 
hominid said:
And who runs https://mediabiasfactcheck.com
So you won't take anything about from a site that a random site, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com , says is bad for some reason? Oh no, I might be corrupted by news that someone doesn't like but I trust him/then as the arbiter of news..

Ok, I'll play your game.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41752908 headline 'Clinton team and Democrats 'bankrolled' Trump dirty dossier' - what does https://mediabiasfactcheck.com say about the bbc.co.uk as a source?
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Trying to stay out of this awful thread.

However - What exactly does BBC say in that article? Lets see

US President Donald Trump has seized on reports that Hillary Clinton's team bankrolled a sleazy dossier of allegations linking him to Russia.

Mrs Clinton's presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) reportedly helped fund the research.

The Clinton campaign then picked up the tab, according to the reports.
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And finally, lets see who started this Steel Dossier - Fusion GPS - Political research company acting for anti-Trump Republicans commissions former spy Christopher Steele

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hominid said:
Just a few that spring to mind:

No, it was Democratic projection. They, the Dems via Hillary commisioned and paid for the the Steel Dossier. The same Steel dossier that Ukrainians helped spice up, with Obama telling them to keep in the line about how Trump like getting ****** on by prostitutes'(https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-prostitutes-russia-report-9600442 sorry it's the mirror) - So it was the Dems that tried to interfere(with the help of the Ukrainians) with the US election.
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This really takes the biscuit, we are back to US Elections Russian interference is fake claim again and again just because Trump said so? Despite it being confirmed by US intelligence Agencies and US National Security council as well as recent Hearing testimonies. Lost count how many times this has been disproven.


Also

Between 2015 and 2016, computer hackers affiliated with Russian intelligence breached the Democratic National Committee and began scoping its servers and lifting large amounts of data in the form of e-mails, donor lists, opposition research, etc. This information was published during the summer of 2016 by DCLeaks and WikiLeaks.[4][5] In March 2016, John Podesta, the chairman of the Hillary Clinton campaign, was the target of a spear-phishing attack which stole more than 20,000 pages of e-mails that were subsequently dumped by WikiLeaks later in the fall of 2016.[6][7]

On October 7, 2016, roughly one month before Election Day, the Department of Homeland Security in conjunction with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the independent agency charged with overseeing and integrating the U.S. Intelligence Community, released a statement expressing confidence that the Russian government was attempting to influence the upcoming election. The statement accused Russia of hacking and disseminating e-mails, and probing election databases, reading "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."[8][9] Two months after the election, on December 9, outgoing President Barack Obama directed intelligence agencies to conduct a "full review" of Russian influence operations on the U.S. electoral process back to 2008.[10][11] A preliminary Joint Analysis Report (JAR) was released by the DHS and FBI on December 29, which provided specific details on the type of cyber-tools and infrastructure utilized by Russian intelligence services in compromising and exploiting American systems
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Source

oh almost forgot :D Hear it from your man yourself.

 
hominid said:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/ slight left leaning but what looks like unbiased - lol
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/ slight right leaning but more bias than the BBC
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/ Getting towards the extreme left leaning end of the spectrum - I bet you like those.. @Jono8
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I don't particularly "like" any of them.

It isn't the bias that is the most concerning, it is the use of facts.

Those you listed are all rated "Factual" or "Mostly Factual".
 
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