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Hate leads to the DARK SIDE.....

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Here we go, get ready to learn something - if you want to.

She was SecState so although she would have had a big say at the table say she wasn't POTUS and she wasn't SecDef.
Read into it, it was Hillary's war - she was the one who pushed for it. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/

Are you really crying for Gaddafi?
No, but he controlled his people well. It wasn't perfect but he was far from what you say. Here's a list of things that prove how bad he was..:

In Libya a home is considered a natural human right
Education and medical treatment were all free
If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.
When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.
Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!
During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.
Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.
Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

There are more, look it up.. Looks like the things a madman tyrant does eh??

He was a murdering madman who ruled Libya with an iron first for decades killing indiscriminately.
I'm sure he did have people killed, just like the west does so openly now with drones(and they've done it in the past just more covertly) but to say he was a madman is/was rubbish..

It's like feeling sorry for Saddam Husain ffs.
No It's not. FYI Saddam Hussain was a CIA asset: https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/2...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/ Nice story that shows what sort of thing the CIA gets up to..

The Arab Spring started in Tunisia and then spread though North Africa into the Middle East.
So, do you think their may be more behind it? FYI the middle east when Tony Blair was 'Middle East Peace Envoy' - I suspect he was doing the opposite. Tony Blair is one of the most duplicitous people around!

Gaddafi tried to put it down by murdering his own people.
Maybe - If you was in power would you try what you could to stay in power? I'm not saying Gaddafi was a saint, far from it, but he's not as bad as you think.

The US and European nations stepped up to stop him and try and stop it turning into a blood bath and not be highjacked by Muslim extremists.
Again, that's what you are meant to 'think'..

An almost impossible task.
Not really.

Was it perfectly handled, no.
You can say that again. Perhaps it went as planned, who knows ;)

These situations rarely are.
You give TPTB too little credit.

Lets not forget he effectively murdered 259 people on flight Pan Am 103 and 11 on the ground in Lockerbie.
So, he paid off everyone to get people off his back, people were fine with it for what 2 decades(can't remember), then all of a sudden he was bad again. Why was that?

He had it coming from the US.
I'm sure he knew that.

He also embraced the murderer of Yvonne Fletcher when he arrived back in Libya and never handed him over.
You are quite myopic, but ancient history and delt with already..
 
It's not me, it was Croniclard that has the issues. To say entire is lazy, even he MUST have liked some parts in a 1 hour 30+ minutes speech!

It's a figure of speech, or hyperbole to make a point. It's one of the nuances of English language that help with interpreting things you see and hear. Try it, you might not come to such ridiculous conclusions and make inane points.
 
Here we go, get ready to learn something - if you want to.

Read into it, it was Hillary's war - she was the one who pushed for it. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/

No, but he controlled his people well. It wasn't perfect but he was far from what you say. Here's a list of things that prove how bad he was..:

In Libya a home is considered a natural human right
Education and medical treatment were all free
If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.
When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.
Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!
During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.
Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.
Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

There are more, look it up.. Looks like the things a madman tyrant does eh??

I'm sure he did have people killed, just like the west does so openly now with drones(and they've done it in the past just more covertly) but to say he was a madman is/was rubbish..

No It's not. FYI Saddam Hussain was a CIA asset: https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/2...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/ Nice story that shows what sort of thing the CIA gets up to..

So, do you think their may be more behind it? FYI the middle east when Tony Blair was 'Middle East Peace Envoy' - I suspect he was doing the opposite. Tony Blair is one of the most duplicitous people around!

Maybe - If you was in power would you try what you could to stay in power? I'm not saying Gaddafi was a saint, far from it, but he's not as bad as you think.

Again, that's what you are meant to 'think'..

Not really.

You can say that again. Perhaps it went as planned, who knows ;)

You give TPTB too little credit.

So, he paid off everyone to get people off his back, people were fine with it for what 2 decades(can't remember), then all of a sudden he was bad again. Why was that?

I'm sure he knew that.

You are quite myopic, but ancient history and delt with already..

Wow you really are a piece of work. No wonder you are a Trump fan as you are able to excuse the behaviour of tyrants and paint the country they rule over with an iron first as idilic. The fact they have no freedom in other than the minor "freedoms" he grants and if they speak out will result in torture and death is irrelevant. I'm sure you've got a line for how MBS is also great and chopping up journalists who speak out against him is fine.

The only think I learnt from that is you may be borderline or possibly full blown sociopath. You should possibly consider a run in right wing politics.
 
Obama threatened our country with negative consequences (no immediate trade deal) if we voted to leave the EU, seems abuse of power (not an impeachable crime but still) is fine though if you're a globalist.

Tell me when you walk into a shop or say a train station and need to purchase something or buy a ticket do you walk to the front of the queue and push in or do you join the back of the queue like the rest of us?

Short memory?

"Barack Obama has warned that the UK would be at the “back of the queue” in any trade deal with the US if the country chose to leave the EU, as he made an emotional plea to Britons to vote for staying in."

"He added: “The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks

See answer above.
 
Oh please they are absolute nobodies. People would struggle to know a single name without going to Google.
If he is so loved why is he even being challenged? No one challenged Obama in Iowa in 2012.
Ask yourself why the DNC gave the contract for this app to a company, Shadow Inc, set up in September 2019, run up by 3 executives that worked on Hillary Clintons 2016 campaign - Who's main investor is George Soros?

Wouldn't that be suspicious?
 
Wow you really are a piece of work.
Thank you! :)

No wonder you are a Trump fan
As I've said, lots of times, I like some things about him but dislike a LOT of other things, but his still a MUCH better candidate that Hillary. :)
as you are able to excuse the behaviour of tyrants
No, I know how the world works, and, mabe, in a decade or two you will come to see it.
and paint the country they rule over with an iron first as idilic.
No, I just said that there was things that he did that were benevolent' to his people.
The fact they have no freedom in other than the minor "freedoms" he grants
Same as you do where you live. Think about this, all the right' you have can be taken away at any time - Just like freedom of speech is being eroded, with your help in this thread for instance, now.
and if they speak out will result in torture and death is irrelevant.
Didn't say that. Of course if you push too far it can happen anywhere, even here - just look at Julian Assange!
I'm sure you've got a line for how MBS is also great and chopping up journalists who speak out against him is fine.
No, I'm not going to even try to defend MBS. Even the fact that you use MBS rather than his real given name shows that you, to some degree, are being controlled by fear - I am not!

The only think I learnt from that is you may be borderline or possibly full blown sociopath.
Ok, disprove one thing I put in that post, one thing! You can't because it's the truth.
You should possibly consider a run in right wing politics.
Thanks!
 
Trump loves the UK, he loves the Queen, he loves Scotland as his grandmother was Scottish, he likes Boris more than most other leaders. We're easily his favourite country outside of America; and that actually matters when it comes to Trump.

He thinks Ireland is part of the UK lol. That is how much he loves us that he doesn't even know what countries make up the UK.

Trump loves money, power and adulation. Unless you can provide those then he has no interest in you. What he loves about the Queen is he wanted to dine with her and be seen in her presence for the ego boost. He loves Scotland so much he screwed over its residents for his own personal profit. He loves Boris because Boris will kiss his arse. He dislikes the EU because as a collective the EU can stand up to him and the US.

The only way Trump would do us a favour in any trade deal is if it was helping his UK businesses in the process. Other than that he won't give a damn about us and if he can screw us and get away with it he won't hesitate. He's a narcissistic sociopath. He doesn't have feelings like a normal person. Everything is about him and you are making a HUGE mistake if you think he cares about anyone or anything that doesn't serve him personally.
 
Tell me when you walk into a shop or say a train station and need to purchase something or buy a ticket do you walk to the front of the queue and push in or do you join the back of the queue like the rest of us?
VERY poor analogy.. It's not even remotely the same. We are a massively net IMPORTER, that means we import more than we export fyi, so if the EU don't want to sell more to us than we sell to them it's their loss, same with the USA.

The good thing about being able to make your own trade agreements is that you can make you own trade agreements, you know, with anyone IN THE WORLD.

Jesus..

//edit, and, again, fyi, Obama isn't in power any more..
 
It's a figure of speech
Thanks for that! (that was sarcasm) ;)

or hyperbole
REALLY??

to make a point.
What point? That's what I was asking..

It's one of the nuances of English language that help with interpreting things you see and hear.
Really, I didn't know that..

No thanks.

you might not come to such ridiculous conclusions and make inane points.
I like speaking plainly rather than use weasel language.
 
No, I'm not going to even try to defend MBS. Even the fact that you use MBS rather than his real given name shows that you, to some degree, are being controlled by fear - I am not!

This just sums up how ridiculous you make yourself look.

What do you even mean by "being controlled by fear"? Are you really suggesting that MBS was used because someone feared retribution for saying negative things about him on an internet forum and not because it's convenient?

That would be projecting your own paranoid delusions on someone else given Wikipedia says..

Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud colloquially known as MbS, is the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.

And, if you're so brave why not use Mohammad bin Salman yourself rather than refer to it as "his real given name"?
 
Thank you! :)

As I've said, lots of times, I like some things about him but dislike a LOT of other things, but his still a MUCH better candidate that Hillary. :)
No, I know how the world works, and, mabe, in a decade or two you will come to see it.
No, I just said that there was things that he did that were benevolent' to his people.
Same as you do where you live. Think about this, all the right' you have can be taken away at any time - Just like freedom of speech is being eroded, with your help in this thread for instance, now.
Didn't say that. Of course if you push too far it can happen anywhere, even here - just look at Julian Assange!
No, I'm not going to even try to defend MBS. Even the fact that you use MBS rather than his real given name shows that you, to some degree, are being controlled by fear - I am not!

Ok, disprove one thing I put in that post, one thing! You can't because it's the truth.
Thanks!

Wow just wow :eek: It is pointless debating you as you clearly have a different moral centre to the majority of us. Take that as a victory if you want. I'm sure you will. You really shouldn't though.

Oh and that last comment, really wasn't a compliment. Think about the personality traits of those people ;)
 
Thanks for that! (that was sarcasm) ;)

REALLY??

What point? That's what I was asking..

Really, I didn't know that..

No thanks.

I like speaking plainly rather that use weasel language.

Here's plain speaking then, if you knew all the above, we can agree your posts about "which parts" and "even you must like some of it" were knowingly inane and pointless?
 
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