why all the hate for hs2?

stockhausen · 10 Feb 2020 at 13:06

Greebo said:
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I still can't believe BJ is going to sign off on £150bn spend purely in order to save face over the £8bn they have spent and the 10 years pushing for it.
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Why on Earth can you not believe it?

Think about London's "Floral bridge", "New" Routemaster buses and riot control fire engines - the man is an arrogant spoilt brat :rolleyes:

God help Britain and the British people over the next five disastrous years

edit: The next stupid idea is a bridge and/or tunnel linking Scotland to Northern Ireland (LINK).

ebilcake · 10 Feb 2020 at 14:16

Makes a change to see people complaining about a Tory Government spending money....

Blackjack Davy · 10 Feb 2020 at 14:22

ebilcake said:
Makes a change to see people complaining about a Tory Government spending money....

I spat out my coffee. The usual suspects as well.

stockhausen · 10 Feb 2020 at 14:23

ebilcake said:
Makes a change to see people complaining about a Tory Government spending money....

I don't think that anyone is complaining in this instance about a Tory Government spending money (certainly I am not), what I AM complaining about is ANY Government wasting billions on vanity projects.

Steampunk · 10 Feb 2020 at 14:26

I saw an interesting view that all that would happen is rich Londoners would buy expensive houses in the nice parts of Manchester, price out the locals, and then use HS2 for a quick commute into London to work, thus actually increasing the London-centric-ness of the country.

Of course, that might not happen given the number and speed of the trains promised is far above what can be delivered.

StriderX · 10 Feb 2020 at 14:26

Spending money is fine, it's where that money is going that's the problem.

With the Tories it's either going right back into their or their mates pockets all the while they promise to help the North out by... purely helping London/South East property speculators and big businesses who hide taxes offshore in British havens. What's the betting that any property/new builds along HS2 gets sold to Chinese/Saudi/Emirati/Qatari speculators though? That would be ******* hilarious wouldn't it.

The Tories are spraying crap all over your faces and its fine because it triggers someone else? Lol, fine by me I suppose, I'm not the one being **** on in the end by this betrayal, didn't Priti Patel describe the opposition as the 'London intelligentsia'... must've felt right good, before literally caressing London's booty afterwards because that's literally what they are.

/little bit of a rant there, felt good tbh, will surely enjoy the next few years of rapid rationalisation of awful policies because 'muh Britishness'.

Steampunk · 10 Feb 2020 at 14:27

ebilcake said:
Makes a change to see people complaining about a Tory Government spending money....

Spaffing money up against the wall so their friends get richer by transferring money from taxpayers to their mates.

Greebo · 10 Feb 2020 at 20:38

ebilcake said:
Makes a change to see people complaining about a Tory Government spending money....

my issue isn’t about them spending money, it’s about ******* it up the wall!

I see they are now doing full feasibility studies on BJs bridge between NI and Scotland. That’s more billions wasted

Greebo · 10 Feb 2020 at 20:41

Steampunk said:
I saw an interesting view that all that would happen is rich Londoners would buy expensive houses in the nice parts of Manchester, price out the locals, and then use HS2 for a quick commute into London to work, thus actually increasing the London-centric-ness of the country.

Of course, that might not happen given the number and speed of the trains promised is far above what can be delivered.

that’s what happens in York. York is an analomy and only two hours on the train into London already. You should see all the suited businessmen on the first train of the morning. I know lost of villages surrounding York with southerners living there who commute.

mattyfez · 10 Feb 2020 at 20:43

Greebo said:
my issue isn’t about them spending money, it’s about ******* it up the wall!

I see they are now doing full feasibility studies on BJs bridge between NI and Scotland. That’s more billions wasted

Are they gonna put up full border controls at each end, or is boris banking on the fact that everyone will have forgotten about it in 5 years time :rolleyes:

StriderX · 10 Feb 2020 at 20:47

That's before it's bombed by the IRA probably setting off the massive chemical weapons and Nuclear waste 'depot' in the Dyke.

mattyfez · 10 Feb 2020 at 20:48

And who's coining it in for consultancy fees on the feasibility for boris's latest white elephant?

Don't tell me it's his friends, sorry esteemed businesses associates

Hagar · 10 Feb 2020 at 22:30

I'm sure McDonnell would be pleased after all spending to invest is not really spending. Yes?

explicit4u · 10 Feb 2020 at 22:44

BBC pretty much confirming that the whole project will ahead:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51443421

Skillmister · 10 Feb 2020 at 22:57

Greebo said:
that’s what happens in York. York is an analomy and only two hours on the train into London already. You should see all the suited businessmen on the first train of the morning. I know lost of villages surrounding York with southerners living there who commute.

Won't be long till they're doing it from Rhyl! Only 2h 38min direct to Euston!

stockhausen · 10 Feb 2020 at 23:10

Greebo said:
My issue isn’t about them spending money, it’s about ******* it up the wall!

I see they are now doing full feasibility studies on BJs bridge between NI and Scotland. That’s more billions wasted

I gather that the government is now pledging £5bn over the next five years to improve bus and cycling services in England.

I guess that they will soon announce a "Green Initiative" involving planting millions of money trees!

jonneymendoza · 11 Feb 2020 at 07:18

ebilcake said:
Makes a change to see people complaining about a Tory Government spending money....

where are they getting these money from anyway?

we still aint even built the new crossrail mate

Spook187 · 11 Feb 2020 at 07:40

jonneymendoza said:
where are they getting these money from anyway?

we still aint even built the new crossrail mate

They borrow it simple as.

Hopefully I can line my pockets out of this project like the rest of the fat cats

a1ex2001 · 11 Feb 2020 at 08:00

explicit4u said:
BBC pretty much confirming that the whole project will ahead:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51443421

It’s cleverly worded, the southern section will go ahead as planned (probably to late to cancel) the northern section will be reviewed for costs savings ie it will be scaled back bit by bit over the next decade until we just get HS trains running on the existing infra and some paint once again the north gets done over!

The extra 5 billion for buses and bikes is a headline grabbing drop in the ocean that once again doesn’t really do more than reverse previous cuts!

Obviously there will be loads of talk of northern power house and reversing beaching all of which will come to nothing while we all get saddled with the HS2 white elephant that will only be used by the rich.

iamtheoneneo · 11 Feb 2020 at 08:02

Wasnt the entire point of the project to connect the north? and now they have ditched that part for now..
LOL, couldn't actually make this up if I tried.

why all the hate for hs2?

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