Gaming PC upgrade

joedeath332

joedeath332

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My sons PC is needing upgrading , looking for advice on what to get.
He plays mostly COD,CS,WOW ETC , his monitor is 144hz
PC specs are
CPU : 2500k think overclocked to like 4.4ghz
GPU : 1080 FTW
memory , some crap.....
PSU : think its a Corsair 650W

I am thinking on changing the CPU to the likes of a Ryzen 3600x , with a 360 AIO , C/W a Motherboard and ram.
Would this represent a decent upgrade? if so can someone spec me a MB and Ram to go with the CPU , or should i get a different cpu.
Forgot to say i want to overclock the new CPU , whats a decent MB and Ram combo to achieve this
 
B450 tomahawk or x570 elite
3600 ram. Viper stuff is good.
3600x will be good for a long awhile.

Will see noticeable improvements. More so if his monitor is 1080p
 
The 3600x is only like 2fps more than a 3600, save the £35 quid put it to a better Gpu.
A 360 AIO is overkill for a 3600/x waste of money that could also go towards a Gpu. I'm running a wraith prism for my 4.2 all core overclocked r5 3600 and gaming temps are 55c full load 70c, the cooler is 20 quid.
If you don't mind overclocking the ram yourself then micron e die overclocks extremely well, should easily be able to do 3600/16 or even 3800/16 if you get a CPU with a good fclk.

=https://www.overclockers.co.uk]Overclockers UK[/url]:[/b]
Total: £338.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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lnoton said:
B450 tomahawk or x570 elite
3600 ram. Viper stuff is good.
3600x will be good for a long awhile.

Will see noticeable improvements. More so if his monitor is 1080p
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Yip he games at 1080

Joxeon said:
The 3600x is only like 2fps more than a 3600, save the £35 quid put it to a better Gpu.
A 360 AIO is overkill for a 3600/x waste of money that could also go towards a Gpu. I'm running a wraith prism for my 4.2 all core overclocked r5 3600 and gaming temps are 55c full load 70c, the cooler is 20 quid.
If you don't mind overclocking the ram yourself then micron e die overclocks extremely well, should easily be able to do 3600/16 or even 3800/16 if you get a CPU with a good fclk.

=https://www.overclockers.co.uk]Overclockers UK[/url]:[/b]
Total: £338.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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Thanks for the list , is that motherboard ok for overclocking the 3600 ?? , also does the 3600 overclock the same as the 3600x ??
 
I wouldn't get too excited about overclocking. These ryzen chips run at the max anyway and anything you get is minimal.

Ram ocing is important though, but that typically involves just switching to xmp and setting some values that a half decent b or e die set will happily run at.
 
joedeath332 said:
Yip he games at 1080



Thanks for the list , is that motherboard ok for overclocking the 3600 ?? , also does the 3600 overclock the same as the 3600x ??
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lnoton said:
I wouldn't get too excited about overclocking. These ryzen chips run at the max anyway and anything you get is minimal.

Ram ocing is important though, but that typically involves just switching to xmp and setting some values that a half decent b or e die set will happily run at.
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As Inoton said the ryzen CPU dont overclock much, I'm running my 3600 at all core 4.2 which is decent as usually only 1 or 2 cores would boost to this, that said the fps difference is pretty minimal and overclocking the ram makes more difference especially for 1080p gaming. If your lucky you might get a CPU that can run 1900 Fclock so you can run ram at 3800 with a Cas of 16 or 3600/14 if your CPU will only do 1800fclk. Samsung B-die is the best ram for overclocking with tight timings but micron E-die is very close and costs half as much as binned b-die.

The mortar max is about a tenner cheaper than the tomahawk max and has the same vrm, along with the pro carbon these are considered to be the best b450 boards and can handle 12 or even 16 core CPUs for future upgrades. I personally have the tomahawk max and found it easy to work with on CPU and ram overclocking. I'm planning to drop in a 4900x when its released later this year.
 
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joedeath332 said:
I am thinking on changing the CPU to the likes of a Ryzen 3600x , with a 360 AIO
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If cooler costs like 1/4th of CPU or even more then you're wasting money to entirely wrong place.
And especially if you want high end performance for many years you need to put money into other thing than some overclocking.
Core2 time when you could crank up clocks fair 30% while undervolting are far behind.
With Ryzen boosting the most heavily loaded cores agressively compared to silicon's capabilities you really won't be gaining any extra.
At least in CPUs which can be considered as high end for more demanding next-gen games.
Next-gen consoles coming in fall/before Christmas will bring pretty much underclocked for energy efficiency 3700X with 8 cores/16 threads into mainstream.

So save money from watertube hype cooler into that core count, or for later CPU upgrade.
For 6 core Ryzen £21 Artic Freezer 34 would be very good.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-freezer-34-cpu-cooler-120mm-hs-077-ar.html
And fair £40 gets high end heatpipe coolers good for 12/16 cores.


joedeath332 said:
PSU : think its a Corsair 650W
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What's the precise model name/number?
Corsair has PSUs all the way to standard low end PSUs.
And if good in the first place it's now in such age that I would replace it.
 
Joxeon said:
As Inoton said the ryzen CPU dont overclock much, I'm running my 3600 at all core 4.2 which is decent as usually only 1 or 2 cores would boost to this, that said the fps difference is pretty minimal and overclocking the ram makes more difference especially for 1080p gaming. If your lucky you might get a CPU that can run 1900 Fclock so you can run ram at 3800 with a Cas of 16 or 3600/14 if your CPU will only do 1800fclk. Samsung B-die is the best ram for overclocking with tight timings but micron E-die is very close and costs half as much as binned b-die.

The mortar max is about a tenner cheaper than the tomahawk max and has the same vrm, along with the pro carbon these are considered to be the best b450 boards and can handle 12 or even 16 core CPUs for future upgrades. I personally have the tomahawk max and found it easy to work with on CPU and ram overclocking. I'm planning to drop in a 4900x when its released later this year.
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Thanks for the info on the MB's & the Ram
 
EsaT said:
If cooler costs like 1/4th of CPU or even more then you're wasting money to entirely wrong place.
And especially if you want high end performance for many years you need to put money into other thing than some overclocking.
Core2 time when you could crank up clocks fair 30% while undervolting are far behind.
With Ryzen boosting the most heavily loaded cores agressively compared to silicon's capabilities you really won't be gaining any extra.
At least in CPUs which can be considered as high end for more demanding next-gen games.
Next-gen consoles coming in fall/before Christmas will bring pretty much underclocked for energy efficiency 3700X with 8 cores/16 threads into mainstream.

So save money from watertube hype cooler into that core count, or for later CPU upgrade.
For 6 core Ryzen £21 Artic Freezer 34 would be very good.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-freezer-34-cpu-cooler-120mm-hs-077-ar.html
And fair £40 gets high end heatpipe coolers good for 12/16 cores.


What's the precise model name/number?
Corsair has PSUs all the way to standard low end PSUs.
And if good in the first place it's now in such age that I would replace it.
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Ive just discovered that the PC has a small Radiator AIO already installed with a 120mm fan each side of it , so i could re-use it as long as i can find the AMD adapters.
 
joedeath332 said:
Ive just discovered that the PC has a small Radiator AIO already installed with a 120mm fan each side of it , so i could re-use it as long as i can find the AMD adapters.
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If it's anything near as old as PC who knows if its pump restarts after sitting for any longer time.
Also level of coolant has likely lowered.
Individual water molecules evaporate and permeate through tubing at some rate depending on tube material and wall thickness.
Marketing "forgets" (=purposely neglects) to tell that watertube coolers aren't any maintenance free ones for surer long term reliability.
 
EsaT said:
If it's anything near as old as PC who knows if its pump restarts after sitting for any longer time.
Also level of coolant has likely lowered.
Individual water molecules evaporate and permeate through tubing at some rate depending on tube material and wall thickness.
Marketing "forgets" (=purposely neglects) to tell that watertube coolers aren't any maintenance free ones for surer long term reliability.
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ahh this explains why we had to have the last AIO replaced as it seemed like the pump had failed on it , so from memory i think the current AIO is about 2 years old ,with heavy use age in that time.
EDIT : i just checked my purchase history and it was replaced in April 2019 and it is a "DeepCool MAELSTROM 120T" AIO.
 
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joedeath332 said:
ahh this explains why we had to have the last AIO replaced as it seemed like the pump had failed on it , so from memory i think the current AIO is about 2 years old ,with heavy use age in that time.
EDIT : i just checked my purchase history and it was replaced in April 2019 and it is a "DeepCool MAELSTROM 120T" AIO.
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That pipsqeak radiator doesn't even have surface area to match average tower cooler.
So besides longer term reliability challenges that's sure to have bad performance per price in sustained load.
Marketing pee pipes in place of heatpipes don't make heat disappear anywhere, but only store it temporarily before it has to be dissipated into air.

Next time just buy Scythe Mugen 5 for better performance and no wearing parts except cheap to replace fan, whose failure isn't catastrophic CPU overheating at idle failure.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html
 
If you want a well performing but cheap aio then take a look at the arctic freezer II series comes in sizes from 120-360mm.
 
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