Syria war: 22 Turkish troops killed in airstrike

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Just in case the coronavirus wasn't enough potential fat tailed risk for y'all.... Turkey and Russia decided to escalate things a little bit in Syria...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51667717

At least 22 Turkish soldiers have been killed in an airstrike by Syrian "regime forces", Turkish officials say.

More were hurt in the attack in Idlib, Hatay governor Rahmi Dogan said. Other reports put the death toll higher.

Turkey is now retaliating against Syrian government targets, reports say, after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan held a top-level security meeting.

Syrian forces supported by Russia are trying to retake Idlib from rebels who are backed by Turkish soldiers.

President Erdogan wants the Syrian government forces to pull back from positions where Turkey has set up military observation posts and had earlier threatened to attack them if they did not halt their advance.

But Syria's government and Russia have rejected his demand to pull back to ceasefire lines agreed in 2018. Russia has also accused Turkey of violating the 2018 ceasefire by backing rebels with artillery fire.
 
Won't be surprised if Russia leaves, having prepared the groundwork for Turkey to take over, solidifying whatever backroom deals they made.

Good for Erdogan, Good for Putin. The only contradiction to this is the Russian base and Russian foreign policy, it can't really stay in a NATO controlled country, so logically Russia has to stay, somewhat reluctantly and goes through the unique Russian diplomacy to calm the situation as I don't think they have the required hardware/personnel there to deal with a full assault by Turkey.

I just don't see how Syria survives much longer without Russia basically being their guardian.
 
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Death toll now at 29. Turkey seems to be drifting into dangerous territory more and more when it comes to relations with Russia and France over Syria and Libya.
 
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They seem to be drifting apart somewhat, they're on opposing sides here.

I dunno about that, it's a confusing mess with Russia and Turkey over what their long-term goals are. You wouldn't think Turkey would be acting in such an awkward manner due to their NATO membership, but here we are. Turkey has a lot to gain from it's southern neighbours being weak, I guess I just see Turkish control of Syria being a likely scenario, if only in the manner that Iran has had over Iraq.

Maybe it's silly...
 
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Won't be surprised if Russia leaves, having prepared the groundwork for Turkey to take over, solidifying whatever backroom deals they made.

Erm?

only the other day they were annoyed that turkey was breaking the agreement in idlib, hence the airstrike I guess, don't think Russia is leaving until Syria is won, even then they will still maintain a presence to ensure things go well
 
Won't be surprised if Russia leaves, having prepared the groundwork for Turkey to take over, solidifying whatever backroom deals they made.

Good for Erdogan, Good for Putin. The only contradiction to this is the Russian base and Russian foreign policy, it can't really stay in a NATO controlled country, so logically Russia has to stay, somewhat reluctantly and goes through the unique Russian diplomacy to calm the situation as I don't think they have the required hardware/personnel there to deal with a full assault by Turkey.

I just don't see how Syria survives much longer without Russia basically being their guardian.

You have no clue what you write. Russia and Turkey are on the opposing sides.
Russia openly accuses Turkey that even if repeadetly asked of their positions (as per 2018 agreement), Turkey didn't said anything that it's own troops are integrated with the Al-Qaeda units in Idlib when the latter attacked the Syrian forces. When the Syrians bomb them, Turkey lost 33 troops and is crying to NATO that was attacked.
Idlib is not Turkish soil, is SYRIAN SOIL. Turkey actively supporting Al-Qaeda and offshoots in there from the Syrian army end the civil war. The same Al-Qaeda from 2001!!!!!!

Turkey today asks for NATO A5 to be triggered dragging everyone to it's own personal invasion to grab territories in Syria. However A5 if it's attacked in it's own soil, not when invading others.

Turkey also has broken the embargo in Libya supporting Saraj even with chemical weapons. Let alone tanks, APC, artillery and troops.
Is now crying that there are Turks in Libya that need to "protect". In addition has signed a Treaty with Saraj (a Turkish born backed by Qatar & Turkey) effectively making Libya (under Saraj) a vassal state. That's something Haftar (an ex Qaddafi general, with US passport, backed by Egypt, Russia, France, Italy, basically everyone). And neither France nor Italy want Turkey on their borders. That agreement also in violation of the Maritime Law and any Sea convention has removed from the map half Greek islands of the Dodekanese cluster claiming a huge swathe of Greek territory (even cuts through half Crete & Rhodes) just for Turkey to make borders with Libya.

Greece is been prepared to go to war for this. Because is like Russia claiming that islands have no EEZ or territorial waters, and have a map taking over the North Sea Oil. (it can through Siberia over the Arctic). How Britain would respond?

And this is ongoing since October, nothing new. Wrote it numerous times here. The problem is British media are either dumb sht or want completely uninformed British population to drag to World War. Like Nazi Germany did in the 1930s. Because the latter attacked Poland because "Poland attacked and killed German troops in Germany" incident. What happens now in Syria when Turkey begs NATO to bomb Syria because it's own troops got attacked by Syria inside Syria when attacking Syrian forces.

Yes is ironic.
 
Russia is trying to play both sides and it will go badly wrong.

They say they support Syria, while also selling weapons to Turkey.They

We arent going to get dragged in to this one. Firstly we dont actually give a ****, second the UK is bored of wars now and there wouldnt be any backing for it.
 
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Yes and Russia sold them to Turkey, while supposedly backing Syria.

Normally you dont arm the enemy against yourself..

Welcome to middle east. No one really knows right from wrong. I was thinking of conscription this summer. Now im thinking of delaying it again.

Btw current death tolls at 33.
 
Yes and Russia sold them to Turkey, while supposedly backing Syria.

Normally you dont arm the enemy against yourself..

You have to realise Erdogan is greedy. By buying S400 broke all contacts with USA because the US didn't gave the greenlight to annex Northern Syria.
So by buying the S400 coming to an agreement with Russia in 2018, thought it would dupe the Russians and annex Northern Syria under their noses.

However Putin played him well. Now Turkey got itself in the middle of the sht pit crying foul for dead troops having invaded another country.
Erdogan has said time and again that he has scrapped unilateral the Treaty of Montreux (is building a cannal to force control) and the Treaty of Lausanne (expanding outside borders, claiming lands & sea, while not acknowledging that there are no Turkish minorities in Bulgaria, Greece, Libya, Syria, Egypt) and what ever parts left from the Treaty of Sevres. That means he is rebuilding the Ottoman Empire. And he has said so
 
Oh dear - Erdogan now playing more silly games... he's had his billions and now he wants the West to pay attention to the latest mess he's caused with Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...fugees-reaching-europe-official-idUSKCN20L0GQ

Turkey will no longer stop Syrian refugees from reaching Europe, a senior Turkish official said, as Ankara responded on Friday to the killing of 33 Turkish soldiers in an air strike by Syrian government forces in Syria’s northwestern Idlib region.
 
Erdogan is mentally unstable, playing with fire in Syria, sending mercenaries to Lybia, blackmailing Europe about the refugees, totally paranoid about Gulan and the failed coup..
 
Foreign troops seeking to bring about regime change in another country killed by defending forces - SHOCK! HORROR! :eek:

Frankly, awful though Assad's regime is, I don't have any sympathy for Erdogan or his tyrannical anti-Kurdish regime.
 
From your own post arguing that you defend your country by invading others. In the army you have no choice than to obey orders. Regardless if these are to defend home soil or invade another country or fight on other's country behest. You obey orders. So your death is just a pawns death when you are not defending home soil. Thats my argument. Yet you try to spin it. That's the thing you are missing, yet you wanted to join the army.

Do you even know what conscription is? I never ever said i wanted to to join army and invade other countries. Those 33 people had no choice but go there. In Turkey it's either you pay some good amount of money or you serve for 6 months at random spots. Of course there are excuses for disabled persons etc. But that's not the point.

and for your death wish. i hope you get through the same stuff or your loved ones...
 
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