Donald Trump

[Greebo]

XRP thread?

 

[wesimmo]

XRP thread?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/xrp-ripple-anyone-buying.18803220/page-118

 

[mmj_uk]

DemocRats made Trump take a cognitive assessment in 2018 and now their favourite to be nominee for President can barely put a coherent sentence together due to onset of dementia. Another case of double standards. Knowing them he'll make Hillary his VP and then resign 1st day into the job as avoiding a democratic vote is only way she way would ever get elected.

 

[chroniclard]

#StopLying

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Hey Smartarse...

Did you watch Question Time last night?

Just watching it. So the advice is that if you have it you absolutely must self isolate if at all possible. Trump says you can go to work.

Next.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

DemocRats made Trump take a cognitive assessment in 2018 and now their favourite to be nominee for President can barely put a coherent sentence together due to onset of dementia. Another case of double standards. Knowing them he'll make Hillary his VP and then resign 1st day into the job as avoiding a democratic vote is only way she way would ever get elected.

 

[timmeh]

DemocRats made Trump take a cognitive assessment in 2018 and now their favourite to be nominee for President can barely put a coherent sentence together due to onset of dementia. Another case of double standards. Knowing them he'll make Hillary his VP and then resign 1st day into the job as avoiding a democratic vote is only way she way would ever get elected.

lol have you heard Trump speak?

 

[Trusty]

Just watching it. So the advice is that if you have it you absolutely must self isolate if at all possible. Trump says you can go to work.

Next.

Whats that got to do with this though?

Hey @Trusty and the other Trump devotees.

So far in the US 233 cases, 14 dead. I'll let you do the maths. I'm guessing that isn't under 3.4% though. Perhaps Trump would have been better off saying "listen to the experts and follow the science" than making bold claims that could easily turn around and bite him the arse. You know like a proper POTUS.

Your original post was about the death rate. So you didn't notice what they were saying about the death rate? Or did you and you've just purposefully ignored that and go onto something else..

And i take it you havent actually listened to the Hannity conversation with Trump about the isolation, listen to it and you'll realise the context.

mountains out of molehills

 

[Caracus2k]

The mental gymnastics....actually quite incredible.

I wish I had people spinning my words every time I said something stupid.

I don't think we collectively have enough time for that even in threads running into hundreds of pages...….

You're wrong, as I said before he specifically said the 3.4% was less than 1%.

Ignoring that, believe and spin it how you like, how do you view his advice to go to work with it? Against all medical advice?

Surely if you're managing the mortality rate, managing the spread of it would also be advisable?

If you ever bothered to listen to what Trump actually said in full context you would perhaps realise what he was saying actually made a fair bit more sense then you are claiming.

Namely that the quoted percentages may be misleading because lot of (quite often younger/ generally healthier) people infected may recover having never presented to the authorities where as its almost certain that the more serious cases leading to hospitalisation and or death will reach the official figures.

LoL



No doubt his base will label that as Fake News and will scramble to come up with some explanation, so here is some more. Yes i know, even though Trump is saying it they must have misrepresented him......somehow. People infected dont need doctors and can go to work....

I used to be slightly more forgiving of people peddling this sort of stuff here but its now clear that it not just honest mistakes but downright dishonesty on behalf of the usual circle of TDS whiners.



Here's a quote from the notoriously Trump loving rag the Guardian that says much the same as Trumps statements on Hannity about the mortality rates for the virus …….

What is the mortality rate of the new coronavirus?
It is probably about or a bit less than 1%. Much higher figures have been flying about, but the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

The impeachment sham failed spectacularly and therefore this thread should have been closed weeks ago with the stage IV terminal TDS suffers banished back to their SC safe space where they could collectively resume their usual MO of posting largely unchecked hysterical nonsense whilst sniffing their communal gaseous emissions.

Here's what Trump actually said in wider context....

Well I think the 3.4% is really a false number... and this is just my hunch. Based on a lot of conversation with a lot of people that do this. Because a lot of people will have this and its very mild, they'll get better very rapidly they don't need to see a doctor they don't even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can't put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this Corona flu and or virus so you just can't do that. So if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better but just by you know sitting around, even going to work some of them, some of them goto work but they get better and then when you do have a death like you had in the state of Washington like you had one in California I believe, you had one in New York you know all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4% which is a very high number as opposed to a fraction of one percent. But again they don't know about the easy cases because the easy cases don't go to the hospital

He wasn't advocating people should goto work if they think they have a flu virus! He was saying that the 3.4% figure may be rather misleading because some people won't report to the authorities because their infection may be so mild they don't report it and may even goto work (even if this is against WHO etc recommendations)

 

[Caracus2k]

Just watching it. So the advice is that if you have it you absolutely must self isolate if at all possible. Trump says you can go to work.

Next.

No he didn't you are a liar unless you provide proof to demonstrate your claim.

Trump didn't say people with the virus could should/ could (as in a recommendation) goto work and did not need to see a doctor.

He said many people infected would have such mild symptoms that they would not see a doctor and might still go to work (even if against official advice to prevent infection of others).

A completely different statement.

Trump took early decisive action to slow the spread of the virus including a China Travel restriction and quarantine provisions. He took some flak for making such decisions.

No doubt there are still valid criticism that can be made as for all countries responses but this isn't a valid criticism

 

[chroniclard]

Whatever he thought his meaning was its an irresponsible statement. He waffles ******** like it all the time.

 

[TheSwede]

But that would be just speculations with adding how many might have contracted the virus, since there is no statistics about it. As of the 5th of March, according to the World Health Organization (have to scroll down to page 4), there was 80,565 confirmed cases and 3,015 confirmed deaths. That's makes it a 3,74% mortality rate. That's the facts.

Then if there is a million people worldwide that have small symptoms but they themselfs classifies it as having the fly/influenza that is irrelevant, because NO one knows those numbers, hence they can not be included in the FACTS.

So as Humpty is saying the numbers is less then the scientists are saying, is just him wanting to look good and knowledgable before his base.

At least that is my opinion but I am guessing facts wont swing anyone around that's agreeing that Dumpty is right in saying that the mortality rate is lower.

 

[Caracus2k]

So as Humpty is saying the numbers is less then the scientists are saying, is just him wanting to look good and knowledgable before his base.

This is your brain on stage IV terminal TDS delusion people.....

Even when you post the statements of the CMO that are largely in accordance with Trumps comments they still cant stop spouting rubbish.

If you've forget already I'll remind you....

Chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

It's a fact that the official figures miss a lot of cases so its dishonest to say 3.4% of people who contract the virus, globally, will die based on current information.

This is what the CMO says in wider context

In a reasonable worst-case scenario, as much as 80% of the UK population could become infected with the novel coronavirus strand, Whitty said. However, he stressed this was the “absolute top end of the range that will be infected” and that he expected the numbers to be much lower.

Based on existing data from other countries that have seen outbreaks, including China, the infection could be fatal for around 1% of those who contract it, he said.

“It is important that we plan for the worst that is currently plausible, given the information that we have at this point in time.”

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

No he didn't you are a liar unless you provide proof to demonstrate your claim.

Trump didn't say people with the virus could should/ could (as in a recommendation) goto work and did not need to see a doctor.

He said many people infected would have such mild symptoms that they would not see a doctor and might still go to work (even if against official advice to prevent infection of others).

A completely different statement.

Trump took early decisive action to slow the spread of the virus including a China Travel restriction and quarantine provisions. He took some flak for making such decisions.

No doubt there are still valid criticism that can be made as for all countries responses but this isn't a valid criticism

Decisive action? He's downplayed this from day 1. He even said it was a Dem hoax ffs. He's given false info on how serious it could be, said a vaccine was just around the corner when his own medical advisors in the room said he's already told him (off camera) that it was at least a year away from human use. What quarantine provisions? A journalist just flew back from the epicentre of Italian infection into LA and wasn't approached at customs and so just breezed through no questions asked.

What he should be telling people is that if you believe you might be infected you DON'T go to work, you self isolate as much as you can even from your own family where at all possible. He is terrified it might hurt his re-election chances and in doing so has hurt his re-election chances. He could have done the exact opposite and not played politics and taken the high ground and he'd have appeared presidential and got a boost. This is his first crisis and he's done a terrible job so far. He even put Pence in charge who did such a great job with the HIV crisis as governor

 

[tang0]

 

[TheSwede]

This is your brain on stage IV terminal TDS delusion people.....

Even when you post the statements of the CMO that are largely in accordance with Trumps comments they still cant stop spouting rubbish.

If you've forget already I'll remind you....

Chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

It's a fact that the official figures miss a lot of cases so its dishonest to say 3.4% of people who contract the virus, globally, will die based on current information.

Well, I do have the Influenca so my brain is a bit overheated but part from that, you still showing speculations. Yes, we all know that there is always people that don't report their symptoms because they think it can't happen to them, or it's just a sniffle and they think it is a normal flu.

Lets break things down a little here.

Chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower.

Dr Whitty here believes that it will prove to be lower, it is not a fact though, its a speculation from his side (Which can very well be true, but we don't know that at this present time, do we now ?). If I were a Medical Expert I could say that I believe the virus will turn airborn unless treated but that's not a fact.

The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases.

Here though, Dr Ghebreyesus is talking about the facts, which is the officially confirmed cases reported. That is Facts, not speculations.

We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

And as I said above, yes, we know that many mild cases wont be reported, but no one, including you or the CMO can say if that is 5,000 or 5,000,000 unreported cases. Because, no one knows what those numbers are, and most likely never will.

It's a fact that the official figures miss a lot of cases so its dishonest to say 3.4% of people who contract the virus, globally, will die based on current information.

I would more say it is General Knowledge that the official figures are never 100% correct, but I guess that's just semantics. But it is not dishonest to say it is 3.4%, well it was at the time when Dumpty was asked about it, now it is 3.74%, because that is what we KNOW from the, once again, official figures.

We can speculated back and forth about how much the official figures are off, but it don't make it less true that at present the mortality rate is 3.74%. Because, to put it simply, the official numbers is all we have to go at.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

This is your brain on stage IV terminal TDS delusion people.....

Even when you post the statements of the CMO that are largely in accordance with Trumps comments they still cant stop spouting rubbish.

If you've forget already I'll remind you....



It's a fact that the official figures miss a lot of cases so its dishonest to say 3.4% of people who contract the virus, globally, will die based on current information.

This is what the CMO says in wider context

The only way they can make a percentage call on anything is with confirmed cases. That is the same with anything. There will always be some mild case of something that don't get reported, even ebola has mild cases that don't get reported.

Obviously you don't want to create panic but giving people the correct advice and figures is sensible. At present there are 272 cases in the US and 14 deaths. That isn't 1% on anyones calculator, even Donny's.

 

[Caracus2k]

Decisive action? He's downplayed this from day 1. He even said it was a Dem hoax ffs.

More lies…. as you full well know he said that the politicization of the virus was the Dems next Hoax...…. even Snopes concurs

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

Here's what he said in full context including his comparison to 'common' flu.

We are stronger, we are better, but while we are building a great future, the radical left Democrats in Washington are trying to burn it all down.

They have spent the last three years, and I can even go further than that, three years since the election, but we go before the election, working to erase your ballots and overthrow our democracy. But with your help, we have exposed the far left’s corruption and defeated their sinister schemes and let’s see what happens in the coming months.

Let’s watch. Let’s just watch. Very dishonest people. Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.” They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes.

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.

But we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country and because of the fact that we went early. We went early, we could have had a lot more than that.

We’re doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified. The Republican party has never ever been unified like it is now. There has never been a movement in the history of our country like we have now. Never been a movement.

So a statistic that we want to talk about, go ahead. Say USA. It’s okay. USA. So a number that nobody heard of, that I heard of recently and I was shocked to hear it, 35,000 people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? 35,000, that’s a lot of people. It could go to 100,000, it could be 27,000. They say usually a minimum of 27, goes up to 100,000 people a year die. And so far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States. Nobody. And it doesn’t mean we won’t and we are totally prepared. It doesn’t mean we won’t, but think of it. You hear 35 and 40,000 people and we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode. CNN fake news

What quarantine provisions?

These ones

Travelers from China and Iran Arriving in the United States
To slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) into the United States, CDC is working with public health partners to implement new travel procedures announced in the Presidential Proclamation on Novel Coronavirusexternal icon and Presidential Proclamation on Additional Persons Who Pose a Risk of Transmitting Coronavirusexternal icon. In summary:

1. Foreign nationals who have visited China or Iran in the past 14 days may not enter the United States.
2. American citizens, lawful permanent residents, and their families who have been in China or Iran in the past 14 days will be allowed to enter the United States, but will be redirected to one of 11 airports to undergo health screening. Depending on their health and travel history, they will have some level of restrictions on their movements for 14 days from the time they left China or Iran.

Enacted early on to some criticism. Once the virus has inevitably spread (but hopefully at a slower rate) quarantine of travel becomes less effective

What he should be telling people is that if you believe you might be infected you DON'T go to work, you self isolate as much as you can even from your own family where at all possible.

Trump probably should have said that much like you should not lie and claim Trump says you can go to work (if you suspect you have the virus) when what he actually said was that people may have infections so mild that they don't see a doctor and may still goto work. He was not endorsing this as a suggestion but making a point about how the virus effects different people and why the confirmed percentage of terminal cases should not be used as a figure for those who will die when they actually contract the virus.

So the advice is that if you have it you absolutely must self isolate if at all possible. Trump says you can go to work.

 

[tang0]

So hilarious the time and effort you lot go into to disproving every single statement Trump makes

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

And he's not wrong. Some of the posts in the Coronavirus thread on here are like its the zombie apocalypse. If people are sensible and follow the scientific and medical advice we should be fine. At the same time some people like Trump are playing politics with it which is also dumb.