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After 6 years and 165k (100k in my ownership) my trusty 1.8 Civic met its end earlier this week :(

Although I have been in need of a larger for a while, I've been holding off to when I'll be in better financial shape (house renovated and sold) to avoid the headache of compromising on the replacement.

So for ~£6k I've got the task of working out what to buy that will replace the Civic and figure out where I am forced to compromise.

The biggest issue is I do ~10k a year, but all estate cars large or small in this budget are mostly diesel. I have never owned a diesel and the only diesel I've driven is a Peugeot Partner Combi so my experience is very limited and negative. Estate cars seem fairly rare and even rarer petrol versions tend to be big engined with shocking economy. I guess I'll have no option but to go for a diesel but I have no idea what I'm getting myself into.

I'm also in two schools of thought. 5 series/A6 sized car, or 3 series/A4 sized car and buy a roof bag (no storage for a hard box) for the camping trips etc. If anyone has 2 kids, dogs, camps and hikes etc have you managed with a smaller estate at all or should I just go all-in and compromise elsewhere?

But my requirements are roughly as follows:
Estate, preferably large.
As economical if not better than the Civic (35mpg average with my driving style)
Auto lights & wipers
Proper climate control
Cruise control
Bluetooth (or the option to replace with a modern headunit if necessary)
Nice place to be, premium almost (but maybe asking a lot there)
As good as if not better performance than the Civic.
Auto preferable unless good argument against.
No older than the Civic, a little newer if possible (2008).

I was hoping to get into something that feels more premium. A large estate is not a revvy Civic that will nip along back roads so I want to go completely the opposte way with a car that's a nice place to be, doesn't feel too out of date and pulls its own weight without too much effort. I've seen F11 5 Series dipping into this budget, but high milage (100-170k+) 520ds. Obviously not all that desirable and I guess potential for huge bills? The Civic didn't want for much above consumables. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty and self-maintain things but modern cars are less accessible, especially anything premium branded and parts are more expensive. I do accept something premium will be more expensive to run, I'd rather avoid £1000+ trips to the garage becasue of a part gone wrong, but I am sort of willing the take the risk to get into something more interesting to drive.

Apologies for the waffle, I'm pretty stumped and lost tbh. It's so tempting to just throw finance at the problem and get something warrantied and open the budget to better options but I'd rather not tie myself up at the moment.
 
I'd be looking at Mondeo estates for that money, good sized and plenty of equipment on the higher specification models. I wouldn't be going near the so called premium cars as they could be extremely expensive to run.
 
I'll raise you this....
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002297859790?year-from=2012&sort=price-desc&model=V70&fuel-type=Diesel&price-to=6000&postcode=st56qy&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&make=VOLVO&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

I'd worry far less about the miles on this than I would with a 140k 520d, ticks the OP's boxes although personally I'd opt for a manual, a good place to spend 10k p/a in that's for sure, and I wouldn't worry about a diesel certainly from a driving perspective, given you (the OP) prefer auto's the differences in power delivery over a petrol are to a degree masked by the transmission anyway. :)
 
There's something about the Volvo's that just seems dated.

Quite like the idea of the Superb, Elegance model has plenty of kit. Few etrol options tho, although the 3.6 might be a little too inefficient. I know DSGs can have their issues but loved it in my old GTi, the 7 speed dry clutch the petrols use might be one to avoid vs the 6 speed wet clutch in the diesel though?

I like the Mondeo idea too actually. Not as big as the Superb but I might be able to live with this, petrol Titanium X ticks all the boxes. What is the powershift like compared to DSG? Any potential issues?
 
There's something about the Volvo's that just seems dated.

Quite like the idea of the Superb, Elegance model has plenty of kit. Few etrol options tho, although the 3.6 might be a little too inefficient. I know DSGs can have their issues but loved it in my old GTi, the 7 speed dry clutch the petrols use might be one to avoid vs the 6 speed wet clutch in the diesel though?

I like the Mondeo idea too actually. Not as big as the Superb but I might be able to live with this, petrol Titanium X ticks all the boxes. What is the powershift like compared to DSG? Any potential issues?
As long as the service intervals are adhered to for the box (3 years/37.5k miles) then they are generally OK
 
Hmmm, seems Petrols are just out of the question unless I hold out but I'm pretty stuck without a car. None locally for sale for the Superb or Mondeo and barely any for sale nationally anyway. Meh :(

This has bad idea written all over it, why so cheap I wonder:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910183461269?advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Automatic&postcode=bb79pg&body-type=Estate&model=5 SERIES&page=1&radius=1500&make=BMW&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used

I guarantee you'll find one of secreted away behind the dash board, or at least signs of disturbance where it has been plugged into the loom....

If that steering wheel shine is the result of just 140K miles, I'll sell you a bog roll. ;)
 
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I guarantee you'll find one of secreted away behind the dash board, or at least signs of disturbance where it has been plugged into the loom....

If that steering wheel shine is the result of just 140K miles, I'll sell you a bog roll. ;)

Haha, yeah I suspect you're very much on the money there. Have to wonder if people really go for these cheap outliers in the market.

I think I'm going to change tactic and buy a stopgap for £2k, probably a smaller estate, then wait until I can get myself into a better/newer part of the market.
 
Just out of interest as someone who owns a 1.8 civic at similar mileage, what went wrong with it?

It met a premature end due to someone pulling out on me, rather than any catastrophic failure. In 165k & six years I replaced both front calipers, front suspension and a used gearbox due to input shaft bearing failure (cost me £125 plus fitting). Gearbox issue is sort-of common for similar aged Hondas however it was likely a failure due to the abuse the car received from me over the years more than anything.

I wanted to keep it a little longer despite not being fit for purpose. For something I paid £6k for in 2013 plus the ~£1500 of non-consumable work in that time it's been absolute value for money to me. I never had any anxiety for any bills, a prospect I'm worried about with any sort of replacement but something I'll have to accept for something more suitable. Might consider breakdown recovery membership though!
 
I guarantee you'll find one of secreted away behind the dash board, or at least signs of disturbance where it has been plugged into the loom....

If that steering wheel shine is the result of just 140K miles, I'll sell you a bog roll. ;)

Stuff like this seems to be on the rise as more and more people try to keep their cheap PCP/lease deal cars under their allowed mileage. Hateful.
 
It met a premature end due to someone pulling out on me, rather than any catastrophic failure. In 165k & six years I replaced both front calipers, front suspension and a used gearbox due to input shaft bearing failure (cost me £125 plus fitting). Gearbox issue is sort-of common for similar aged Hondas however it was likely a failure due to the abuse the car received from me over the years more than anything.

I wanted to keep it a little longer despite not being fit for purpose. For something I paid £6k for in 2013 plus the ~£1500 of non-consumable work in that time it's been absolute value for money to me. I never had any anxiety for any bills, a prospect I'm worried about with any sort of replacement but something I'll have to accept for something more suitable. Might consider breakdown recovery membership though!
Sorry to hear that, hope you're okay. I bought mine 3 years ago for £1500 and although it's needed a fair amount of work, much of the bigger bills are probably my fault. Like you, I'm on my second gearbox because I was zooming around delivering pizzas.

If you liked the civic and you're willing to up your budget then the estate from the next model along is worth a look. It has a bigger boot than quite a bit of the class above and from what I've read, it's more refined than the civic that you or I have.
Couple of examples:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002157364703
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202003158448618
 
Bump...

Still trying to maximise a terrible budget with something decent, really trying not to downgrade from.thr comforts my Civic had.

Although I do ~10k a year I have opened myself up to getting a diesel as petrol choice is limited.

I want a large estate that's a nice place to be and at least can stream Bluetooth audio decently. I don't want the faff of retrofitting something and would prefer the auto lights wipers and cruise control comforts my civic had.

There's a 2009 2.0 tdci Mondeo Titanium X for sale locally, seems too cheap at 2k but I'm willing to take on some risk and spanner myself if needed, but know naff all about diesels and maintenance.

Is the 2.0 TDCI any good? Is the Mondeo any good? Titanium X interior looks like a nice place to be, I could live with it.

What alternatives are out there I should look at?
 
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