NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

opethdisciple · 16 Mar 2020 at 15:04

LoadsaMoney said:
Rumours November for these, as letting AMD play their hand first in October (which is also rumoured).

In the past and over the last few years how accurate has his predictions panned out?

opethdisciple · 16 Mar 2020 at 15:09

The fact the 2080 (215 W tdp) has a higher tdp than my 1080 (180 W tdp) does that mean they run hotter?

Darujhistan · 16 Mar 2020 at 15:28

opethdisciple said:
The fact the 2080 (215 W tdp) has a higher tdp than my 1080 (180 W tdp) does that mean they run hotter?

Just make sure you buy one with a good cooler, it should not be a problem at all.

Poneros · 16 Mar 2020 at 16:17

opethdisciple said:
The fact the 2080 (215 W tdp) has a higher tdp than my 1080 (180 W tdp) does that mean they run hotter?

Yes. Tho keep in mind Turing is more unleashed than Pascal out of the box.

opethdisciple · 16 Mar 2020 at 16:27

This is counter to what the internet tells me tho. I was looking at a temp graph and they had the 2080 running cooler than the 1080

Poneros · 16 Mar 2020 at 16:35

opethdisciple said:
This is counter to what the internet tells me tho. I was looking at a temp graph and they had the 2080 running cooler than the 1080

But that's different, that's heat dissipation. So then you have to account for heatsink, fan, fan curve etc. As far as how hot the chip gets, then higher tdp = hotter chip.

Look at it this way. My V64 doesn't go above 72 C even at 320+ w for chip alone. Meanwhile I got a 590 in a HTPC going to 80+ at stock (175w tdp).

opethdisciple · 16 Mar 2020 at 16:41

OK, so I asked the wrong question.

What card would heat up my case more a 2080 (with after market cooler) or a 1080 (with after market cooler)?

I ask, because I recently upgraded my case expecting better thermals and was shocked to feel the heat on the side of the case was more than the old one.

I've gone from an ancient gigantic full tower with rubbish airflow to a smaller midi case with great airflow and found the new case was much hotter than the old. Smaller internal volume is what I put it down too.

So naturally I'm wondering if next gen will have any heat issues.

Poneros · 16 Mar 2020 at 17:05

opethdisciple said:
OK, so I asked the wrong question.

What card would heat up my case more a 2080 (with after market cooler) or a 1080 (with after market cooler)?

I ask, because I recently upgraded my case expecting better thermals and was shocked to feel the heat on the side of the case was more than the old one.

I've gone from an ancient gigantic full tower with rubbish airflow to a smaller midi case with great airflow and found the new case was much hotter than the old. Smaller internal volume is what I put it down too.

So naturally I'm wondering if next gen will have any heat issues.

Still the same answer (same heat is generated either way), the only affecting variable would be a blower cooler would exhaust heat out of the case better than a dual/triple fan design, though that's only a positive if you care about the temps within the case rather than what the temp of the GPU is.

If you want to have better temps (and for what component in particular) you'll have to evaluate what your current cooling is (case, fans, fan speeds, CPU cooler etc) and what the cooling potential of the case itself is. Maybe the case has very poor airflow design, or maybe the fans aren't good for it, or maybe your configuration itself isn't (eg if you have a rad at front for intake). Basically, there's a lot of variables missing in order to assess what the problem is & why you're seeing temps you don't like.

Shadow32 · 16 Mar 2020 at 17:08

Nvidia Postpones GPU Technology Conference News: Ampere Will Have to Wait

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/nvidia-postpones-gpu-technology-conference-ampere

opethdisciple · 16 Mar 2020 at 17:23

Meh, postponing the news hopefully shouldn't change any release dates.

Perfect_Chaos · 17 Mar 2020 at 01:22

Wondering if the 3060 will be 8GB or 10GB? Only thought since they are releasing a 2060 with 8GB then obviously the 3060 is going to be at least that, but if the 3070 comes in at 12GB that leaves a 4GB gap unless they go 8/10 for the 3060.

b00merang69 · 17 Mar 2020 at 01:25

!6GB FTW

opethdisciple · 17 Mar 2020 at 11:38

Poneros said:
Yes. Tho keep in mind Turing is more unleashed than Pascal out of the box.

Like a big cat out of it's cage?

Quartz · 17 Mar 2020 at 11:48

If the reports are correct, the new XBox has a GPU comparable to the 2080 Ti at a price point of 50% for the whole system. That's going to put a real dampener on price if performance isn't there. And then there's the unknown factor of Intel. If Ampere is only a modest improvement then I wonder if they'll keep Ampere data-centre only, slash prices on Turing, and skip straight to Hopper with a 2021 release date?

opethdisciple · 17 Mar 2020 at 11:51

Quartz said:
If the reports are correct, the new XBox has a GPU comparable to the 2080 Ti at a price point of 50% for the whole system. That's going to put a real dampener on price if performance isn't there. And then there's the unknown factor of Intel. If Ampere is only a modest improvement then I wonder if they'll keep Ampere data-centre only, slash prices on Turing, and skip straight to Hopper with a 2021 release date?

Better not as I'm currently holding on for an upgrade this year!

Sargatanas2511 · 17 Mar 2020 at 11:53

Quartz said:
If the reports are correct, the new XBox has a GPU comparable to the 2080 Ti at a price point of 50% for the whole system. That's going to put a real dampener on price if performance isn't there. And then there's the unknown factor of Intel. If Ampere is only a modest improvement then I wonder if they'll keep Ampere data-centre only, slash prices on Turing, and skip straight to Hopper with a 2021 release date?

I was thinking this too. If the Series X hardware reveal showed more than Nvidia wanted to see, they could have changed their mind on what they need to bring to the table.

/Conspiracy

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tyler_jrb · 17 Mar 2020 at 12:07

Sargatanas2511 said:
I was thinking this too. If the Series X hardware reveal showed more than Nvidia wanted to see, they could have changed their mind on what they need to bring to the table.

/Conspiracy .

Agreed. 2080Ti perf is unrealistic however even though it is nearing 2yr old at this point. 2070S-2080 seems reasonably accurate going off perf figures from DF.

On the flip side if AMD brought out a card with comparable perf to the XSX could they price it any higher? Factoring in the cost of entire pc vs a one package console.

Sargatanas2511 · 17 Mar 2020 at 12:12

tyler_jrb said:
Agreed. 2080Ti perf is unrealistic however even though it is 2yr old at this point. 2070S-2080 seems reasonably accurate going off perf figures from DF.

On the flip side if AMD brought out a card with comparable perf to the XSX could they price it any higher? Factoring in the cost of entire pc vs a one package console.

2080Ti came out in October 2018 so it's not even 18 months old yet. But this is an APU made for a console and unlikely to be the full fat RDNA2 capability. It'll likely be downclocked for power efficiency too so honestly I am not sure where the limit is for a 'big navi'.

GAC · 17 Mar 2020 at 12:14

with nvidia who knows, could be genuinely because of people working from home or could be a rejig of the new 3000 series line up bumping up performance on lower spec cards or even going the other way, really is pure guesswork for now.

Grim5 · 17 Mar 2020 at 13:10

Sargatanas2511 said:
2080Ti came out in October 2018 so it's not even 18 months old yet. But this is an APU made for a console and unlikely to be the full fat RDNA2 capability. It'll likely be downclocked for power efficiency too so honestly I am not sure where the limit is for a 'big navi'.

big is probably 50% faster than the Xbox

and 3080ti another 10% or 20% faster than big Navi