AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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Must be a rotten time to be sitting in the team blue offices

the great thing is that intel has the funding and technical teams to really come back strong I hope, which means Amd will come out all guns blazing. Really excited for what the next few years hold in store.


I think when the next gen of consoles hit we will see Amd get the backing from game devs and software companies as the dominant platform............. are we going to see entry level octocore chips with smt in a couple of years??

 

[FoxEye]

Zen 3 desktop Q1 2021, Zen 4 desktop Q2 2022

This would be my guess too, but with the caveat that Zen 4 could be any time in 2022, really.

I don't think AMD will have fully rolled out its Zen 3 range much before H2 2021. So there really is no time for Zen 4 and Zen 5 by the end of 2022.

 

[Grim5]

Must be a rotten time to be sitting in the team blue offices

the great thing is that intel has the funding and technical teams to really come back strong I hope, which means Amd will come out all guns blazing. Really excited for what the next few years hold in store.


I think when the next gen of consoles hit we will see Amd get the backing from game devs and software companies as the dominant platform............. are we going to see entry level octocore chips with smt in a couple of years??

Cause games will have acccess to 8 high power zen 2 cores you'd expect developers to move quickly on it. I'd expect 8 cores to be entry level gaming cpu in 1 year, with 12 and 16 cores being mid and high end desktop products. 4 core will probably drop off and 6 core will take the place of the $100 G parts. I'm not talking ryzen 4000 though, ryzen 4000 is locked in and wont have movement for industry changes, it's after that can be altered to what next gen games need.

So something like this for zen 4 ryzen:

5300x = 6 core
5600x = 8 core
5700x/5800x = 10 core
5900x = 12 core
5950x = 16 core

Alternatively AMD may wish to increase core counts again after Zen 3.
Then we'd have

5300x = 6 core
5600x = 8 core
5700x/5800x = 12 core
5900x = 16 core
5950x = 24 core

 

[Grim5]

Shame not to see PCIE 5.0 just to get it all lined up. Xeon is scheduled for PCIE 5.0 in 2021 so would have been interesting to get it into mainstream for 2022. I know it's really not needed but would just be great to see it all in one package. I am already trying best to hold out upgrading PC till then but after 7 years my system is really feeling long in the tooth these days.

I wonder if we'll be in for a price shock though. Having a new chipset, new socket, new RAM, new USB ports, new PCIE slots all at once... all I see is $$$

Look how much price increase we got just for moving from pcie 3 to pcie 4 and a new x570 chipset with a fan.

If AMD does drop everything at once in the same product for the first time, I could see motherboards costing 50% more than they do now.

 

[Scougar]

Must be a rotten time to be sitting in the team blue offices

the great thing is that intel has the funding and technical teams to really come back strong I hope, which means Amd will come out all guns blazing. Really excited for what the next few years hold in store.


I think when the next gen of consoles hit we will see Amd get the backing from game devs and software companies as the dominant platform............. are we going to see entry level octocore chips with smt in a couple of years??

Well... last time Intel were down, they took us down the unexpected path with Core2. What a platform that was I have no doubt that Intel will eventually come back with a decent product, the timing will just depend on whether they are genuinely able to eat humble pie, or alternatively, swallow enough of a financial loss in selling a product they will loss money on in order to gain back market share.

They can only tread water for so long before shareholders lose their minds.

 

[LePhuronn]

I could see motherboards costing 50% more than they do now.

Nah, the only reason X570 was so expensive is because of the massive use of PCIe retimers to maintain signal strength across the board. You could almost argue it was a brute force approach for the first time out. But look at the TRX40 boards for how PCIe 4 implementation was refined so quickly and you can see where the money went with X570. TRX40 boards with twice as much kit on them yet the same price, or cheaper, than X570 boards?

I don't know why people are so fixated on that damn chipset fan on X570. Other than some buggy BIOSes it doesn't even spin up half the time, but it was also a brute force solution to an unexpected problem. I don't think AMD intended to repurpose the Zen 2 I/O die for the PCH, but Asmedia screwed the pooch. The next batch of AM4 boards aren't going to have these problems, so I really don't see AM5 with all the shiny new stuff being a problem.

 

[LePhuronn]

They can only tread water for so long before shareholders lose their minds.

Shareholders don't give 2 ***** about technological progress, they only care about profit margins. And as long as Intel keep making a profit, the shareholders will be fine. And there is zero chance of Intel making a loss any time soon.

AMD could grab a stunning 20% server share right now, but as long as Intel keep churning out $10,000 Xeons that cost $100 to make, and retards keep buying Desperation Lake+++++++++ refresh because 1% performance in games is somehow worth a $300 and 200W premium, there really isn't any worry about losing money.

 

[Grim5]

Nah, the only reason X570 was so expensive is because of the massive use of PCIe retimers to maintain signal strength across the board. You could almost argue it was a brute force approach for the first time out. But look at the TRX40 boards for how PCIe 4 implementation was refined so quickly and you can see where the money went with X570. TRX40 boards with twice as much kit on them yet the same price, or cheaper, than X570 boards?

I don't know why people are so fixated on that damn chipset fan on X570. Other than some buggy BIOSes it doesn't even spin up half the time, but it was also a brute force solution to an unexpected problem. I don't think AMD intended to repurpose the Zen 2 I/O die for the PCH, but Asmedia screwed the pooch. The next batch of AM4 boards aren't going to have these problems, so I really don't see AM5 with all the shiny new stuff being a problem.

I have the most expensive ASUS X570 and the fan is always on, spinning at 2000rpm to 3000rpm and sitting between 50c and 60c

 

[LePhuronn]

It's an Asus board, for all the money and brand premium you just know they're going to have cheaped out somewhere or broken something that fan doesn't need to be running at all unless you're running NVMe PCIe 4 RAID through the PCH. To be sat at that temperature in any other use case indicates something is amiss.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Must be a rotten time to be sitting in the team blue offices

the great thing is that intel has the funding and technical teams to really come back strong I hope, which means Amd will come out all guns blazing. Really excited for what the next few years hold in store.


I think when the next gen of consoles hit we will see Amd get the backing from game devs and software companies as the dominant platform............. are we going to see entry level octocore chips with smt in a couple of years??

I wouldnt say entry level, but 8 cores will most definitely become the mainstream and almost like the minimum you should go for in any build thats not budget orientated

 

[Rajveer]

I just bought a 3950x which I haven't opened yet, but I'm not sure if I should keep it now. Does anybody much the previous generation dropped in price when Ryzen 3000 was released?

 

[LePhuronn]

I just bought a 3950x which I haven't opened yet, but I'm not sure if I should keep it now. Does anybody much the previous generation dropped in price when Ryzen 3000 was released?

Not enough to justify waiting a year for the Zen 3 version to show up.

 

[Ico]

I have the most expensive ASUS X570 and the fan is always on, spinning at 2000rpm to 3000rpm and sitting between 50c and 60c

Its Asus thing Gigabyte had it same but they cured it with latest bioses. MSI did it well a chipset fan kick on only above 63degrees Celsius so my one is still from day 1. Im using M.2 drive gen.3 though and max. load is gaming atm

 

[Scougar]

Shareholders don't give 2 ***** about technological progress, they only care about profit margins. And as long as Intel keep making a profit, the shareholders will be fine. And there is zero chance of Intel making a loss any time soon.

AMD could grab a stunning 20% server share right now, but as long as Intel keep churning out $10,000 Xeons that cost $100 to make, and retards keep buying Desperation Lake+++++++++ refresh because 1% performance in games is somehow worth a $300 and 200W premium, there really isn't any worry about losing money.

That was my point. If Shareholders aren't making the profit they are used to... then **** will hit the fan. I think you might have misunderstood my intent? (So yes, I'm agreeing with you)

 

[Scougar]

I just bought a 3950x which I haven't opened yet, but I'm not sure if I should keep it now. Does anybody much the previous generation dropped in price when Ryzen 3000 was released?

There were some sales for sure, but nothing earth shattering. The 3950x is going to serve you very very well.

 

[Rajveer]

Not enough to justify waiting a year for the Zen 3 version to show up.

There were some sales for sure, but nothing earth shattering. The 3950x is going to serve you very very well.

Thanks guys, good point that the Zen 3 version of the 3950x will probably show up later than the lower-specced Zen 3 chips and not worth the wait. I'm looking forward to building this thing

 

[opethdisciple]

According to this 2022 for Zen 4.

 

[Scougar]

According to this 2022 for Zen 4.

DDR5 2022. Not Zen 4.

 

[LePhuronn]

DDR5 2022. Not Zen 4.

And why would Zen 4 not use DDR5? They're coming out at the same time.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

https://twitter.com/AMDNews/status/1255251304890478596

$AMD on track to launch next-gen “Zen-3” CPUs and RDNA 2 GPUs in late 2020.