Bad time for a 1080 Ti to die... :(

[JediFragger]

Result!

Now just tell the little ******* not to die before the new cards are out and all will be sweet

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Yup, that's why I stuck with my 1080Ti. There are no real upgrade options without spending silly money.

yup that is the problem and reason why you have gamers salty at Nvidia

 

[Ezyryder]

@Psycho Sonny

At 1440p it is 2% faster, which you are right, it is within the margin of error. But there are some newer games were the 1080ti is still faster than the 2070S. Metro Exodus, The Outer Worlds, Borderlands 3. My point is that it is incredibly bad value to spend £500 on something which is not even as good as what you bought 2/3 years ago for a bit more cash than that. Sure, if money is no issue then buy whatever you want but most of us have got limits on what we can buy, at least I know I do.

The 5700XT is fine, AMD is fine, Hardware Unboxed are recommending it over the 2070S on the value stakes. I have had issues with my 1080ti, had some too with my previous 980. I haven't seen anything recent indicating issues with the card. G-sync is a bummer though, my monitor does both so I am free to move, but you are, unfortunately stuck to Nvidia and their ridiculous pricing.

 

[dessimpson]

My Zotac 1080ti Amp Extreme started artifacting about 1 month after I bought it.
It got so bad that after 3 months I had to limit the fps in CSGO to 90 just so it wouldn't crash.
I RMA'd it and got a new one. The new one was faultless for 2 years till I sold it.

 

[Joxeon]

I may still swap the card out but a 2070S seems a poor choice for the money at the moment.

In 4 or 5 months you will get rtx 2080ti perf for rtx2070 super prices.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

@Psycho Sonny

At 1440p it is 2% faster, which you are right, it is within the margin of error. But there are some newer games were the 1080ti is still faster than the 2070S. Metro Exodus, The Outer Worlds, Borderlands 3. My point is that it is incredibly bad value to spend £500 on something which is not even as good as what you bought 2/3 years ago for a bit more cash than that. Sure, if money is no issue then buy whatever you want but most of us have got limits on what we can buy, at least I know I do.

The 5700XT is fine, AMD is fine, Hardware Unboxed are recommending it over the 2070S on the value stakes. I have had issues with my 1080ti, had some too with my previous 980. I haven't seen anything recent indicating issues with the card. G-sync is a bummer though, my monitor does both so I am free to move, but you are, unfortunately stuck to Nvidia and their ridiculous pricing.

My 2070 super was £440 brand new and its the one with the best cooling available so not one of the cheap cards.

The 1080ti 3 years previously was £800 your counterpart with the same name bought one when it went EOL for around £600 iirc.

So that is 1/3rd more not a bit more cash.

Also stop saying its not as good as what you bought 2-3 years ago.

They are on par with each other. For every game you suggest I can suggest another which shows that the 2070 super is better. You are only making your argument weaker by adding lies into it.

They are the same performance wise.

So I managed to get a 1080ti with rtx, runs 25c cooler, uses less power, is much quieter, 1 year later than your bro for 1/3rd less that it cost him.

It's not bad value at all. If anything the 1080ti was bad value especially if you bought during the mining boom as prices went to around £800-£900. My card was half that price.

The 2070 super is arguably one of the best value for money cards available up until the recent price hikes.

I'd say if buying now buy a 1660 super or a normal 5700 if you want to take the risk on amd.

However people suggesting others spend £350 on a used 1080ti with no warranty are nothing more than fanboys with no clue.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

However people suggesting others spend £350 on a used 1080ti with no warranty are nothing more than fanboys with no clue.

Have to agree with this.

 

[humbug]

Psycho Sonny is right, £350 for a 3 year old card with an unknown history is not wise, not when you can get a card with equivalent or better performance for £500 brand new with a 3 year warrenty.

In 3 years the used 1080TI will be 6 years old, you would be doing well if its not dead before then...

 

[Ezyryder]

My 2070 super was £440 brand new and its the one with the best cooling available so not one of the cheap cards.

The 1080ti 3 years previously was £800 your counterpart with the same name bought one when it went EOL for around £600 iirc.

So that is 1/3rd more not a bit more cash.

Also stop saying its not as good as what you bought 2-3 years ago.

They are on par with each other. For every game you suggest I can suggest another which shows that the 2070 super is better. You are only making your argument weaker by adding lies into it.

They are the same performance wise.

So I managed to get a 1080ti with rtx, runs 25c cooler, uses less power, is much quieter, 1 year later than your bro for 1/3rd less that it cost him.

It's not bad value at all. If anything the 1080ti was bad value especially if you bought during the mining boom as prices went to around £800-£900. My card was half that price.

The 2070 super is arguably one of the best value for money cards available up until the recent price hikes.

I'd say if buying now buy a 1660 super or a normal 5700 if you want to take the risk on amd.

However people suggesting others spend £350 on a used 1080ti with no warranty are nothing more than fanboys with no clue.

You have some serious anger management issues going on in there. I haven't suggested buying another 1080ti and I haven't lied. I have said hang in tight or buy a 5700XT, if you want similar levels of performance, but he is running Nvidia service, so that is out of the question.

We are talking right here right now. £500 for the cheapest 2070S is bad value, whatever you want to look at it, more so as it is for their cheaper models. You are looking at nearly £600 for a decent model, that is just ridiculous for the level of performance it provides.

With the new generation of consoles coming up shortly and a new bunch of graphics card too I have the impression things are going to be shaken up massively, so if you can wait with your 1060 until then I would do so.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

you have said twice the 2070S is slower than a 1080ti in 2 different post. when it isn't. i even provided graphs showing the 2070 super is faster is some games and at best it's swings and roundabouts.

only a 1080ti fanboy would hold this view.

both cards offer the same performance. however one is newer, has warranty, runs cooler and quieter as a result. it also has new features and is readily available.

yes the price may now well be £500-£600. but the 1080ti was once £900-£1000 during the mining peak. so in relation to that it's not IMO bad value.

if you want to use future cards as an argument then you could have said that to everyone that bought an EOL 1080ti for £600 had they waited 6-9 months they could have had a 2070 super for £400. so a £200 saving and a better card overall.

the prices of all cards have went up. so you can't just say something is bad value as the 2070 super has always been more expensive than a 5700XT. it's just in more demand now with less supply.

it's still a good deal if you need a card now based on historic prices of the 1080ti during the mining peak.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

If a decent 2070S was £350 we wouldn't be having this argument, and a 1080Ti is only of value if it lasts you a good while (2+ generations for the sake of argument) otherwise it was a very expensive ymmv

 

[ALXAndy]

you have said twice the 2070S is slower than a 1080ti in 2 different post. when it isn't. i even provided graphs showing the 2070 super is faster is some games and at best it's swings and roundabouts.

The 1080Ti is not faster, end of story. I know because I had a Titan XP and a 2070 Super at the same time. And I benched them on almost identical CPUs (both heavily cored Broadwell E, same RAM, same speed etc) and the 2070 Super was faster.

Also bear in mind both were overclocked to the absolute maximum. Now as to whether you should switch? absolutely not. Not just for two decent RTX games. If, however, your 1080Ti died and you wanted the same sort of performance or better with more features? it's not a bad shout. Well, it wasn't @ the £438 I paid on here with COD thrown in free (and I was going to buy that any way).

I began gaming on my XP at 4k. It did really well, for about two years. For the third year I dropped it to 1440p and it was still perfectly fine. And that is why I decided to switch it with a 2070, non Super, yet under water. It clocks very well, offers pretty much exactly the same performance (I don't frame watch I only enable overlays if something isn't right) and I noted it was pushing out well over 100 FPS in the new COD maxed. I was going to sell the Titan and actually make some money, but then had good fortune so I sent it to a pal. I paid £370 for my 2070 (Asus Dual Evo) and £90 or so for a block. It wasn't a waste of money IMO, given how long it had been since I had spent anything on GPUs and it has allowed me to have RTX in Control and Metro Exodus. As I said, if things had stayed that way I would have sold the Titan XP with the block for what I paid or more (if I was brave enough to auction it) and been sat on an island drinking cocktails or something with the £20 or so I made

Jokes aside though yeah, the 2070 Super is faster. Or rather was faster than my Titan XP. XP was under water @ 2150 too, but could not get close to the 2070S on air in any benchmarks I ran. Gaming? well as I said before in DX12 it's clearly faster. I don't see many DX11 titles coming along now, so it's safe to assume that it will remain that way.

Edit. That may be slightly confusing. I have three active rigs ATM.

1920x with 2070 (non super)

16 core BE Xeon with 2070 Super (at my mother's)

Which is my test bed. Oh and my new gaming rig.

With a 2080Ti Kingpin (will replace 1920x rig, that will be brought to my mother's).

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Techspot/Hardware Unboxed recently did a comparison of the GTX1080TI and the RTX2070 Super:

https://www.techspot.com/review/2017-geforce-1080-ti-vs-rtx-2070-super-vs-radeon-5700-xt/

Spoiler

A new RTX 2070 Super for $500 is better, or you can save some money and get a well cooled Radeon RX 5700 XT that is only marginally slower.

The RTX2070 Super isn't faster over a whole lot of games. It's faster in some newer games,but the GTX1080TI is faster in some very popular games. Techspot/Hardware Unboxed tested 35 games with an overclocked Core i9 9900K.

The RTX2070 Super also only has 8GB of VRAM,while the GTX1080TI has 11GB of VRAM,so if you are into modding games at higher resolutions,8GB can be an issue.

The RTX2070 Super at its current price-point is really overpriced. You are looking at least at £500 and above for a new one now. Even the bog standard RTX2070 which was around £350,is now £400 and above. TPU compared the best RTX2070 Super available recently:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-2070-super-hof-10-year/27.html

This pre-overclocked model was 19% faster against an RTX2070FE,and the RTX2070 Super FE 12% faster at qHD.

Also HUB,said from their own experience,the AMD issues they had seem to have been mostly fixed now:

The RX5700XT can be had for around £350,and the RX5700 for under £300 IIRC.

Personally,if you have an older backup GPU to hand,its probably better to just turn some settings down and wait for the new generation GPUs.

The fact is you will be spending £500 on a GPU which at best is probably 10% to 15% faster in some games over a GTX1080TI,upto a similar amount slower in older games/games based on older engines and those which are DX11/DX9,there is less VRAM,etc.

You might get some RT and DLSS additions,but realistically for £500,its not good enough IMHO. On average you can get £150 to £200 for a broken GTX1080TI on the famous auction site,but you will have to remove fees and postage for that. Any more than that is usually low feedback bidders,which at least to me looks a tad dodgy.

Even if you get the upgrade cost down to £300 to £350,it seems a bit mediocre.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

according to the flight sim guys on DCS the 1080Ti outperforms a 2070S

I don't own a 1080Ti btw and can't be accused of being a fanboy, such language is really 'unhelpful' which is about the kindest word I can find

I do agree though you need to be very careful about buying a used 1080Ti that is out of warranty, non-transferable warranty or close to its end date. That has a big effect on its value which buyers seem to forget about in the heat of the moment. £300 from a good or trusted source feels about right more than that I'd leave it to someone else.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Techspot/Hardware Unboxed recently did a comparison of the GTX1080TI and the RTX2070 Super:

https://www.techspot.com/review/2017-geforce-1080-ti-vs-rtx-2070-super-vs-radeon-5700-xt/

Spoiler

The RTX2070 Super isn't faster over a whole lot of games. It's faster in some newer games,but the GTX1080TI is faster in some very popular games. Techspot/Hardware Unboxed tested 35 games with an overclocked Core i9 9900K.

The RTX2070 Super also only has 8GB of VRAM,while the GTX1080TI has 11GB of VRAM,so if you are into modding games at higher resolutions,8GB can be an issue.

The RTX2070 Super at its current price-point is really overpriced. You are looking at least at £500 and above for a new one now. Even the bog standard RTX2070 which was around £350,is now £400 and above. TPU compared the best RTX2070 Super available recently:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-2070-super-hof-10-year/27.html

This pre-overclocked model was 19% faster against an RTX2070FE,and the RTX2070 Super FE 12% faster at qHD.

Also HUB,said from their own experience,the AMD issues they had seem to have been mostly fixed now:

The RX5700XT can be had for around £350,and the RX5700 for under £300 IIRC.

Personally,if you have an older backup GPU to hand,its probably better to just turn some settings down and wait for the new generation GPUs.

The fact is you will be spending £500 on a GPU which at best is probably 10% to 15% faster in some games over a GTX1080TI,upto a similar amount slower in older games/games based on older engines and those which are DX11/DX9,there is less VRAM,etc.

You might get some RT and DLSS additions,but realistically for £500,its not good enough IMHO. On average you can get £150 to £200 for a broken GTX1080TI on the famous auction site,but you will have to remove fees and postage for that. Any more than that is usually low feedback bidders,which at least to me looks a tad dodgy.

Even if you get the upgrade cost down to £300 to £350,it seems a bit mediocre.

I only play 5 games currently and only 3 of them is on that list. Borderlands 3 - 1080ti faster, Apex Legends and World War Z - 2070 Super is faster.

I've always said they were on par with the 2070S being better due to it running cooler, quiter, less power, basically a much more efficient card. It was also cheaper than a 1080ti with the 1080ti commanding £900-£1000 at it's peak. Even the current peak of £500 for a 2070 Super it's still a good deal compared to those that bought a 1080ti during it's peak.

Would I buy one now? Only if I needed one which I don't as I bought one on Black Friday for £440 ish.

At that price I got a very good deal. So in the current climate paying £60 more isn't that much tbh. I'm surprised that is what is putting people off. The price of everything has gone up.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I only play 5 games currently and only 3 of them is on that list. Borderlands 3 - 1080ti faster, Apex Legends and World War Z - 2070 Super is faster.

I've always said they were on par with the 2070S being better due to it running cooler, quiter, less power, basically a much more efficient card. It was also cheaper than a 1080ti with the 1080ti commanding £900-£1000 at it's peak. Even the current peak of £500 for a 2070 Super it's still a good deal compared to those that bought a 1080ti during it's peak.

Would I buy one now? Only if I needed one which I don't as I bought one on Black Friday for £440 ish.

At that price I got a very good deal. So in the current climate paying £60 more isn't that much tbh. I'm surprised that is what is putting people off. The price of everything has gone up.

I don't think all the GPUs have gone up as much as the £400+ ones,and the difference is not really enough for the price if you have a GTX1080TI. Remember,if the pricing of cards had been more in line with the previous generations,the RTX2080TI would be under £1000,and the range would look much more of an upgrade. For example an RTX2070 or RTX2070 Super looks decent if compared to the GTX1070,and also I do remember plenty of GTX1080TI cards between £500 to £600- mining also did increase GPU prices for a while.

Personally with the XBox One X already appearing to be RTX2070 Super or RTX2080 level in performance,and Turing being 20 months old,I would be inclined to see what Ampere and RDNA2 brings to the table. For one I would think we need improved RT performance overall.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I don't think all the GPUs have gone up as much as the £400+ ones,and the difference is not really enough for the price if you have a GTX1080TI. Remember,if the pricing of cards had been more in line with the previous generations,the RTX2080TI would be under £1000,and the range would look much more of an upgrade. For example an RTX2070 or RTX2070 Super looks decent if compared to the GTX1070,and also I do remember plenty of GTX1080TI cards between £500 to £600- mining also did increase GPU prices for a while.

Personally with the XBox One X already appearing to be RTX2070 Super or RTX2080 level in performance,and Turing being 20 months old,I would be inclined to see what Ampere and RDNA2 brings to the table. For one I would think we need improved RT performance overall.

I don't recall of any sub £600 1080ti's that was GTX 1080 pricing.

1080ti's were always £600 or more. Even when it went EOL our local resident on here had to beg the top procurement guy from ocuk for a discount on it to get it for £600.

Also I wouldn't be buying a 2070 super if I had a 1080ti that makes zero sense unless your 1080ti is out of warranty and you can get good money for it.

If your 1080ti has died then the 2070 super is the best card to buy if you need to buy one as a direct replacement. Saying it's bad value because all prices have gone up isn't true as 1080ti's all went up too back in the day. So why was nobody saying they were bad value back then when they were £900? The fact you can get a bad value 2070 super for £500 right now shows how much gain there has been had back from the bad value £1000 1080ti's. I even remember was it the strix at one point was £1100 or thereabouts for the 1080ti or I could be mistaken.

Checking historic pricing an MSI GTX 1080 launched at £650 in June 2016. In march of 2017 it dropped to £560. In January 2018 when it went EOL it was £520.

Sure deals could have been had but I think your pricing the 1080ti too low historically it averaged around £800 for the vast majority of it's life.

The 2070 super has averaged £500 for the vast majority of it's life dipping as low as £400 at Christmas and as high as £600 currently. You cannot compare performance of an £800 card with a £500 card that isn't fair and you cannot use that as an argument to say no improvements have been made when clearly they have.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't recall of any sub £600 1080ti's that was GTX 1080 pricing.

1080ti's were always £600 or more. Even when it went EOL our local resident on here had to beg the top procurement guy from ocuk for a discount on it to get it for £600.

Also I wouldn't be buying a 2070 super if I had a 1080ti that makes zero sense unless your 1080ti is out of warranty and you can get good money for it.

If your 1080ti has died then the 2070 super is the best card to buy if you need to buy one as a direct replacement. Saying it's bad value because all prices have gone up isn't true as 1080ti's all went up too back in the day. So why was nobody saying they were bad value back then when they were £900? The fact you can get a bad value 2070 super for £500 right now shows how much gain there has been had back from the bad value £1000 1080ti's. I even remember was it the strix at one point was £1100 or thereabouts for the 1080ti or I could be mistaken.

Checking historic pricing an MSI GTX 1080 launched at £650 in June 2016. In march of 2017 it dropped to £560. In January 2018 when it went EOL it was £520.

Sure deals could have been had but I think your pricing the 1080ti too low historically it averaged around £800 for the vast majority of it's life.

The 2070 super has averaged £500 for the vast majority of it's life dipping as low as £400 at Christmas and as high as £600 currently. You cannot compare performance of an £800 card with a £500 card that isn't fair and you cannot use that as an argument to say no improvements have been made when clearly they have.

There were quite a few if you knew where to shop - remember,the RTX2080 was actually even more expensive at the time,and the RTX2070 Super came nearly 10 months after the RTX2080 was launched. There was also deals which gave you additional cashback. This is why so many people just got those GTX1080TI cards in 2018 over the RTX2080. The fact is the RTX2070 Super launched nearly 10 months after the RTX2070 and the RTX2080. So for 10 months you had a marginally faster RTX2080 with less VRAM,etc fitting that segment,and then you had the RTX2070 at £450 to £500,which was slower than a GTX1080TI for not much less money.

Plus in today's market,it really is not worth it IMHO - cards such as the RX5700XT/RX5700 are significantly cheaper - I know at least 4 RX5700/RX5700XT owners myself,and even if there was issues at the start,AMD has got on top of the problems they had. You can still get these for £350ish or even a bit less,and even that is not as good value as the RX5700 cards which have gone as low as £250ish,which with a RX5700XT BIOS is almost as fast. But even for AMD fans I would be inclined to kind of wait,especially if RDNA2 does deliver on what AMD is saying. I just feel its one of those times that waiting is a good idea.

But even then the launch of Turing,probably meant AMD could price Navi a tier above what it should have been. The only reason Nvidia tried dropping prices,was as the Navi cards were not significantly slower. Now they and the retailers are increasing prices for "reasons". Yet lots of the more mainstream Nvidia GPU prices seem generally OK.

Now,with the XBox One X looking to have similar or even slightly great GPU power within the next 6 months,an RTX2070 Super is not so hot at its current price,even if the XBox One X costs £500 to £600. AMD confirmed RDNA 2 is launching this year,and Nvidia also probably launching newer GPUs this year too. We all know even if rasterised performance does not increase massively,RT performance will see another bump up.

Remember the last time we had consoles launch,we had the 8800GTX/8800GT/HD4870 back to back for the PS3/XBox 360 within the first 2 years,when the PS4/XBox One launched,within the first two years,we had the R9 290/GTX970/GTX980TI. I just feel AMD and Nvidia probably will try and make their new generations that much better,just to rain on the launch of the new consoles.

So for the sake of a few months,I am not sure I would want to buy these GPUs at higher than average price,towards the end of their lifespans. If you get a very good deal,then maybe. It will probably be like all the people who bought a Core i7 7700K,mere months before they could get a Core i7 8700K for similar money or a bit more! I would rather game on a GTX960 for a few months,rather than invest in a new card,at greater than its normal price,towards the twilight of its career,especially if you intend to spend £500 to £600!

 

[Psycho Sonny]

There were quite a few if you knew where to shop - remember,the RTX2080 was actually even more expensive at the time,and the RTX2070 Super came nearly 10 months after the RTX2080 was launched. There was also deals which gave you additional cashback. This is why so many people just got those GTX1080TI cards in 2018 over the RTX2080. The fact is the RTX2070 Super launched nearly 10 months after the RTX2070 and the RTX2080. So for 10 months you had a marginally faster RTX2080 with less VRAM,etc fitting that segment,and then you had the RTX2070 at £450 to £500,which was slower than a GTX1080TI for not much less money.

Plus in today's market,it really is not worth it IMHO - cards such as the RX5700XT/RX5700 are significantly cheaper - I know at least 4 RX5700/RX5700XT owners myself,and even if there was issues at the start,AMD has got on top of the problems they had. You can still get these for £350ish or even a bit less,and even that is not as good value as the RX5700 cards which have gone as low as £250ish,which with a RX5700XT BIOS is almost as fast. But even for AMD fans I would be inclined to kind of wait,especially if RDNA2 does deliver on what AMD is saying. I just feel its one of those times that waiting is a good idea.

But even then the launch of Turing,probably meant AMD could price Navi a tier above what it should have been. The only reason Nvidia tried dropping prices,was as the Navi cards were not significantly slower. Now they and the retailers are increasing prices for "reasons". Yet lots of the more mainstream Nvidia GPU prices seem generally OK.

Now,with the XBox One X looking to have similar or even slightly great GPU power within the next 6 months,an RTX2070 Super is not so hot at its current price,even if the XBox One X costs £500 to £600. AMD confirmed RDNA 2 is launching this year,and Nvidia also probably launching newer GPUs this year too. We all know even if rasterised performance does not increase massively,RT performance will see another bump up.

Remember the last time we had consoles launch,we had the 8800GTX/8800GT/HD4870 back to back for the PS3/XBox 360 within the first 2 years,when the PS4/XBox One launched,within the first two years,we had the R9 290/GTX970/GTX980TI. I just feel AMD and Nvidia probably will try and make their new generations that much better,just to rain on the launch of the new consoles.

So for the sake of a few months,I am not sure I would want to buy these GPUs at higher than average price,towards the end of their lifespans. If you get a very good deal,then maybe. It will probably be like all the people who bought a Core i7 7700K,mere months before they could get a Core i7 8700K for similar money or a bit more! I would rather game on a GTX960 for a few months,rather than invest in a new card,at greater than its normal price,towards the twilight of its career,especially if you intend to spend £500 to £600!

As much as I'd like to hope AMD have sorted their act out I still wouldn't trust their GPU's with a bargepole and I'm currently running an AMD cpu before anyone thinks I'm a fanboy.

I agree though the 5700 is the best card on paper. It's what I would get and I nearly got myself I even created a thread about them. But after 2 people I know personally having issues I decided to get the 2070 super instead.

I hope AMD do sort their act out and I do hope all this g sync vs free sync goes away and they make it universal. I have a g sync monitor so I'm stuck with team green unless I sell or no longer want g sync