Upgrading after 10 years

Acme said:
I wouldn't want to put a 9900K on a £100 motherboard.
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Is there anything bad about that board except the price being low?

Terrorfirmer you do make a good point, I would like whatever I do to last as long, it'll be used for some gaming but mostly video editing, so I'd assume more cores (12 amd vs 8 Intel) is going to be better for that?

EsaT said:
Can't find 1100W Silent Pro, no matter the year.
(only 1100W one is RS-B00-AAAA-A3 UCP)
So more likely it's Silent Pro M 1000W (RS-1000-AMBA-J3) model.

It actually has high quality components.
But design was outdated low end already in 2010...
With everything what comes with it, including abysmal low load efficiency when that oversized, unless you have two high end power hogging graphics cards.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/3856/cooler-master-silent-pro-m1000-1000w/6
Wouldn't wonder if it wastes like 30W just to keep itself powered on.
Because its PSU equivalent to some old US made car with V8 engine.

Just for comparison the most modern PSUs have 5W no load consumption.
And even PSUs made to match 10 year old 80+ Gold efficiency standard would be satisfied with 10W when properly sized.
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Typo on my part I think. Definitely sounds worth upgrading then to be safe
 
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Small update, did some more research and it looks like (currently) Intel's Integrated Quick Sync absolutely kills it in the likes of Premiere (Although not DaVinci Resolve , where the 3900x and it's extra cores is king). Certainly not as straightforward as it used to be , Would anyone recommend a different board or the the £100 board sufficient? Don't want to buy cheap and damage the cpu!
 
Think Hardware Unboxed's conclusion was that if you're going to buy a budget Z390 for 9900K then the Gigabyte UD is the best choice but it also should have throttled or shut down because of high VRM temps, and didn't, and it only passed the test because of that 'anomaly'. Given you don't want/need to buy cheap the choice is a bit easier. I'd be looking at the Gigabyte Pro given it's only £10 more than the Elite.

Look into the quality v performance debate though. CPU has best quality. iGPU best performance. There's an argument over whether the losses with iGPU matter. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8ftp6v/content_creator_observes_insane_rendering/

I don't use Premiere so don't ask my opinion, this is just random info picked up in the past while browsing.
 
Danny75 said:
Think Hardware Unboxed's conclusion was that if you're going to buy a budget Z390 for 9900K then the Gigabyte UD is the best choice but it also should have throttled or shut down because of high VRM temps, and didn't, and it only passed the test because of that 'anomaly'. Given you don't want/need to buy cheap the choice is a bit easier. I'd be looking at the Gigabyte Pro given it's only £10 more than the Elite.

Look into the quality v performance debate though. CPU has best quality. iGPU best performance. There's an argument over whether the losses with iGPU matter. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8ftp6v/content_creator_observes_insane_rendering/

I don't use Premiere so don't ask my opinion, this is just random info picked up in the past while browsing.
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Thanks I'll choose a different board then. I see a lot of "Made for 9900k" , here's the video i've been watching about the igpu performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNvvZ_kGDzc
 
Finally settled on a basket i'm happy with. Can I get a review by anyone to see if it's all a good match or if i've gone with bad options? Not too different to the first suggestion (Although i've upped the budget to allow for a good cooler and better board)

Current GPU is a Gtx 1060 3gb model, So think that should last me a while longer yet


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £891.95 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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Managed to get another year out of the current setup but it's now really showing it's age, and i'm now leaning more towards AMD , I had looked at a Ryzen 3600X and a X470-F , But that seems to be obsolete now (Or silly prices)

So now looking at X570 as AMD just seems to offer way more than Intel and their approach to backwards compatibility is nice (In that I can get a cheap processor now and upgrade to a better one later without changing the board).

What do people think to the MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 ATX Motherboard (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...-am4-ddr4-x570-atx-motherboard-mb-351-ms.html) , It's Pre-Order without any date but seems pretty good from what I see.

Never had an MSI board, do people rate them?

Open to other AMD related recommendations also please!
 
Gray2233 said:
Why would you go from a 9900K to a 3600X? You'd be downgrading.

What exactly are the problems you're having?
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What I meant, is I didn't upgrade, and got another year out of the setup I had when I wrote the post. But now games are starting to struggle unless I turn settings right down, So it's time to finally make the jump to something more powerful.
 
Rexxar said:
What I meant, is I didn't upgrade, and got another year out of the setup I had when I wrote the post. But now games are starting to struggle unless I turn settings right down, So it's time to finally make the jump to something more powerful.
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Ah, that makes a lot more sense.

If you can wait another couple of weeks the B550's will be out and maybe the Zen 2 refresh.

A 3600(XT)/B550 and 16GB of 3200-3600 RAM would be your best bet, maybe a 3700X(T) if you've the budget for it and are concerned with longevity.
 
Gray2233 said:
Ah, that makes a lot more sense.

If you can wait another couple of weeks the B550's will be out and maybe the Zen 2 refresh.

A 3600(XT)/B550 and 16GB of 3200-3600 RAM would be your best bet, maybe a 3700X(T) if you've the budget for it and are concerned with longevity.
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Sounds good, I'm in no real rush , Everything is taking an age to come into stock with Lockdown anyway right..

Here's what I had put together but might wait now, If anything, a refresh should drive older parts pricing down?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £760.42 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Can anyone explain the difference between X AND B ? I.e X470/X570 Vs B450 ? From what I've read , B doesn't support SLI and can be slightly lower end?
 
Rexxar said:
Can anyone explain the difference between X AND B ? I.e X470/X570 Vs B450 ? From what I've read , B doesn't support SLI and can be slightly lower end?
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Yes, X is high end. X570 has dedicated PCIe Gen4 lanes via the chipset that are seperate to the CPU lanes. B550 does have PCIe Gen4 but only the four that come off the CPU. No actual dedicated Gen4 lanes via the chipset.

B550 does support SLI (some do anyway) but B450 doesn't support SLI (although B450 does support crossfire).

You may find some B550 motherboards costing more money than some X570 if the B550 has all the bells and whistles such as WIFI, 2x M.2 etc.
 
Rexxar said:
Never had an MSI board, do people rate them?
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MSI ruled in B450 boards where Asus and Gigabyte basically sold scam level CPU VRMs (power circuitry) and Asrock meh stuff.
Though in X570 MSI's range as overall is lackluster with B450 copypasta VRMs in half the range, while others improved.
X570 Tomahawk would be only more reasonably priced good X570 MSI.
Assuming it sometimes arrives into stock.

From in stock boards Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite would be good for the money.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57w-gi.html

Rexxar said:
Can anyone explain the difference between X AND B ? I.e X470/X570 Vs B450 ? From what I've read , B doesn't support SLI and can be slightly lower end?
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B stands for basic level chipset, with B450 having only CPU connected PCIe x16 and M.2 slot using decade old PCIe v3.
Chipset based PCIe lanes are 13 years old PCIe v2.

X470 is little more of same and just more pricier and boards with strong CPU VRM good for 12/16 cores cost same as better X570 boards.

X570 is modern all PCIe v4 I/O monster with 2GB/s bandwidth for even x1 slot to last into future.

B550 ups CPU connected slots to PCIe v4, but chipset itself stays decade old PCIe v3.
And seems like prices will be intruding into X570 level.
 
Small update, I've settled on spending a bit more to get a longer life out of the system.

CPU - AMD 3900x
Motherboard - MSI Mag X570 Tomahawk
Ram : Corsair 3600mhz DDR4 32gb (2x16gb so easy to upgrade)

Keeping the graphics card I have for now, it's an Asus GTX 1060 OC 3gb "Dual" which I assume refers to the dual fans.

Not bothering with m.2 / nvme at the moment. I have 2 SSD's and 4 Mechanical HDD's

The case is an old HAF 932 and is hidden away so not much point going for something flashier at the moment , It has 2 large fans (one side and one top) and 3 smaller fans (2 front, one rear)

What PSU would you all recommend for this? Is 750w going to be enough?
 
EsaT said:
PSU stock situation is pretty much horrible.
For that low end graphics card already 550W PSU would be way more than enough.
But assuming updates to high end GPUs 650W is the sweet spot.

There just aren't much of better PSUs in stock.
There should be 4 of these in stock.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-amp-650w-80-plus-gold-modular-power-supply-ca-09q-pt.html
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I've still got a PSU from the current system that I can manage with until the stock situation is better, would that be a better option rather than settling for what's available now?
 
That Phanteks is Seasonic Focus Gold in other clothing and good + comes with 10 year warranty.
So very good for the price.
 
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