New build after 11 years

M1k3H

M1k3H

M1k3H

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Finally going to upgrade from my current PC (in sig) after originally building it 11 years ago and would like some re-assurance that I've picked good components, or recommendations if I could do better.

Main purpose is gaming @1440p 144Hz, as I recently bought a new monitor.

I had to read up on new CPUs, technologies, etc, so leaning towards an X570 system to allow me to future proof my PC and keep for another 6+ years, with the aim of upgrading the CPU in 2-3 years time when Ryzen 3rd gen (4000 series) is out and close to the next gen coming out, to last me those 6+ years. This is why I am going for a 6-core, and in a couple/few years time can stick a higher core count cpu. I looked at the B550, but with the price difference being so small and the increased features from X570 I don't think it's really worth it.

In terms of GPU, I will keep my 780ti for now, and wait for the new cards in the next 3 months (hopefully) to allow me to game with my new monitor resolution and refresh rate.

I also plan to re-use my Noctua CPU cooler. I will use the stock AMD cooler until I manage to get the AM4 mounting kit from Noctua, so have added some thermal paste as well.

For NVMe it seems that the go to drive is the Sabrent rocket @ PCIe 3.0. In terms of PCIe 4.0, I don't see any use for it at this time so will go for the PCIe 3.0, with the prospect of getting a 4.0 drive in future if the situation changes.

So here it is:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £990.00 (includes shipping: £11.10)​
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I was initially considering the RAM below, but after some thought, I realised that the motherboard and RAM will be the two things that won't be upgraded in future, which is why I'm leaning towards the 8Pack approved kit. Thoughts on this?

Total: £197.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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As a secondary PSU, I was looking at the below, but now neither of them are in stock so will just order whichever one is first back in stock. I reckon 750W is more than enough, was originally looking at 650W but not sure if it'll be enough if I upgrade to a 5700xt and an 8core CPU down the line. I will also be using my existing disk drives as well, so another SSD, and 2 mechanicals.

Total: £150.49 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Any feedback/recommendations are appreciated!
 
M1k3H said:
was originally looking at 650W but not sure if it'll be enough if I upgrade to a 5700xt and an 8core CPU down the line.
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650W is the sweet spot for gaming PC.
AMD's 6 core is extremely frugal and same for 8 core.
(cheap MSI B450 board would be enough for those CPUs)
Which is actually base level for next-gen games and not some high end of future.
New consoles coming in late fall/before Christmas come with non-boosting variant of Ryzen 3700X.
I expect new heavier games to want 8 core for running best.
Some year+ old games actually do that like AC Odyssey.


SATA SSD is pretty basic for those other parts like very expensive memory.
Despite's of Samsung's misleading marketing it's also QLC Flash drive, not MLC or even TLC.
This would be TLC Flash drive.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds200t2b0a-hd-54k-wd.html

Sabrent Rocket Q is also QLC Flast drive.
Non-Q model is the TLC drive.

M1k3H said:
if I upgrade to a 5700xt
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5700 XT will be low end before this year is over with its performance vs next-gen graphics cards and lack of hardware raytracing.
 
Thank you for the feedback.

EsaT said:
650W is the sweet spot for gaming PC.
AMD's 6 core is extremely frugal and same for 8 core.
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Okay will spec a 650W variant then (stock allowing!).

EsaT said:
(cheap MSI B450 board would be enough for those CPUs)
Which is actually base level for next-gen games and not some high end of future.
New consoles coming in late fall/before Christmas come with non-boosting variant of Ryzen 3700X.
I expect new heavier games to want 8 core for running best.
Some year+ old games actually do that like AC Odyssey.
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I realise a B450 would support those CPUs, but would rather go for X570, as the motherboard will be the one thing that won't change in my system. I'd rather have PCIe 4.0, to future proof me. You are correct, and was initially going to go for an 8 core 3700x, however, since my plan is to upgrade to a 4000 series CPU in a couple of years, I'll go for the 6-core that right now doesn't impact gaming performance and go for an 8-core (or more) then.

EsaT said:
SATA SSD is pretty basic for those other parts like very expensive memory.
Despite's of Samsung's misleading marketing it's also QLC Flash drive, not MLC or even TLC.
This would be TLC Flash drive.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds200t2b0a-hd-54k-wd.html
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What about TBW? The Samsung is rated at 1,440TBW vs 500TBW for the WD. Being my secondary drive is TLC vs QLC important?

EsaT said:
Sabrent Rocket Q is also QLC Flast drive.
Non-Q model is the TLC drive.
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Yes, you are correct, I'm going for the TLC variant as this will be my primary boot drive + games.

EsaT said:
5700 XT will be low end before this year is over with its performance vs next-gen graphics cards and lack of hardware raytracing.
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I will be keeping hold of my 780ti for now, but if I do get the itch before the new stuff comes out, this seems like good value for money, and for the time being seems to be able to play 1440p relatively comfortably. Ideally, I'll wait until the new AMD and nVidia cards comes out.
 
Just go for the X570 Tomahawk bro. Absolutely no reason other than a limited budget not to.

Yes there wont be a significant difference for a while, and who knows how things will evolve but its more future proof than the 450 series.

3600 with the plan of getting a 4000 series down the line is a good shout. For your requirements it won't bottleneck you.

I'd upgrade the cooler for the cpu though. They can be fine but can also run hot.

650w PSU is also more than enough providing you ain't looking to overclock.

M2 SSDs are worth researching.

For gaming and as your bootable this is a good choice.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seag...state-drive-rv.1-zp1000cm3a001-hd-3c0-se.html

Anything more and the gains just aren't perceptible.

Team group 8 pack edition is a great choice. CAS14 at 3200mhz is the most cost effective. Above that in timings or clock speed and the increased performance is marginal, bearing in mind ryzen typically operates best at 3600mhz, But up to you.

And yeah hold off on the GPU if your plan is for this build to last.
 
flex979 said:
Just go for the X570 Tomahawk bro. Absolutely no reason other than a limited budget not to.

Yes there wont be a significant difference for a while, and who knows how things will evolve but its more future proof than the 450 series.

3600 with the plan of getting a 4000 series down the line is a good shout. For your requirements it won't bottleneck you.

I'd upgrade the cooler for the cpu though. They can be fine but can also run hot.

650w PSU is also more than enough providing you ain't looking to overclock.

M2 SSDs are worth researching.

For gaming and as your bootable this is a good choice.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seag...state-drive-rv.1-zp1000cm3a001-hd-3c0-se.html

Anything more and the gains just aren't perceptible.

Team group 8 pack edition is a great choice. CAS14 at 3200mhz is the most cost effective. Above that in timings or clock speed and the increased performance is marginal, bearing in mind ryzen typically operates best at 3600mhz, But up to you.

And yeah hold off on the GPU if your plan is for this build to last.
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Thanks for the comments. Will probably wait for it to come into stock, or even pre-order once I lock down all other components.

Ordered the 3600 earlier this evening as I found a good price and also had some discount via work benefits.

I did have another look at QLC vs. TLC, and from what I can see QLC degrades quicker, so it is okay for reading tasks, but not writing. So not too bothered by that as I don't usually do a lot of writing anyway.

I will overclock at some point, always enjoyed getting extra juice out of my components, had an i7 920 @ 4.0-4.2GHz and now a Xeon X5750 @ 4.0.

In terms of cooler, I did have a look around. For the time being I will try my current cooler as it seems to be within 5-6° of the top air coolers even today, and based on how temperatures look I might invest in another cooler. Doesn't hurt to see how my current cooler performs, since it's free.

In terms of the memory, I looked at the 3200mhz and suspect they would easily go to 3600mhz, but don't want to risk it. Memory, along with the motherboard, is something that I will keep throughout my upgrades, so having the headroom might help when I upgrade the CPU in future.
 
M1k3H said:
I realise a B450 would support those CPUs, but would rather go for X570, as the motherboard will be the one thing that won't change in my system. I'd rather have PCIe 4.0, to future proof me. You are correct, and was initially going to go for an 8 core 3700x, however, since my plan is to upgrade to a 4000 series CPU in a couple of years, I'll go for the 6-core that right now doesn't impact gaming performance and go for an 8-core (or more) then.


What about TBW? The Samsung is rated at 1,440TBW vs 500TBW for the WD. Being my secondary drive is TLC vs QLC important?
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Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite is well balanced board in stock for reasonable £200.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57w-gi.html
Already that has overkill CPU VRM for any stock AM4 CPU.
Though if you need Wifi, then MSI Tomahawk has no comparison.

2TB's QVO's TBW is 720.
As some storage drive writes aren't like excessive.
Though suspect firmware refreshes data quite regularly using write cycles, because of QLC's 16 charge levels having barely any tolerance for charge degradation.
(TLC has 8 charge levels with lot more tolerance)


M1k3H said:
For the time being I will try my current cooler as it seems to be within 5-6° of the top air coolers even today
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Your current cooler would need AM4 mounting brackets.
If it's Noctua you can get mounting kit for free.
 
EsaT said:
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite is well balanced board in stock for reasonable £200.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57w-gi.html
Already that has overkill CPU VRM for any stock AM4 CPU.
Though if you need Wifi, then MSI Tomahawk has no comparison.

2TB's QVO's TBW is 720.
As some storage drive writes aren't like excessive.
Though suspect firmware refreshes data quite regularly using write cycles, because of QLC's 16 charge levels having barely any tolerance for charge degradation.
(TLC has 8 charge levels with lot more tolerance)


Your current cooler would need AM4 mounting brackets.
If it's Noctua you can get mounting kit for free.
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Been looking at all the available motherboards and the Tomahawk seems to be the cheapest for features and VRM performance. I've pre-ordered it this morning.

You are correct, missed the 'up to' which is for the 4TB variant. Thanks for prompting me to look into QLC/TLC. What I will end up doing is just getting the Sabre NVMe PCIe 3.0 (TLC variant) for now. At the moment I'm utilising 141GB on my main drive, including some games, so should last me a good while. Then when PCIe 4.0 makes more sense invest in a TLC PCIe 4.0 in future. I will be keeping my mechanical drives or at least my 2TB WD Green, which contains my media anyway, as well as my 250GB SSD . Should last me a good while.

I ordered the 3600 yesterday and got it today, so sent the form to Noctua for a free mounting kit. If it doesn't arrive by the time I have the motherboard (unlikely, since that will arrive end of July), I'll use the stock cooler till it does.
 
M1k3H said:
suspect they would easily go to 3600mhz, but don't want to risk it. Memory, along with the motherboard, is something that I will keep throughout my upgrades, so having the headroom might help when I upgrade the CPU in future.
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I got the 8 pack 3200/14 kit albeit the 16gb version and got that running at 3800/14 so I'm pretty sure you could hit 3600/16 at the very least on the 32gb version. The product page even says up to 4000mhz achievable not that you want to go that high on ryzen mind you.
 
Joxeon said:
I got the 8 pack 3200/14 kit albeit the 16gb version and got that running at 3800/14 so I'm pretty sure you could hit 3600/16 at the very least on the 32gb version. The product page even says up to 4000mhz achievable not that you want to go that high on ryzen mind you.
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That's what I think also, plus the 3200 kit is now on offer as well! Decisions, decisions... I won't buy anything else until the motherboard is closer to shipping, unless a really good deal comes along. The 3600 kit was on offer last week I believe, hopefully it'll be on offer again before I order!
 
M1k3H said:
That's what I think also, plus the 3200 kit is now on offer as well! Decisions, decisions... I won't buy anything else until the motherboard is closer to shipping, unless a really good deal comes along. The 3600 kit was on offer last week I believe, hopefully it'll be on offer again before I order!
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Those two kits are the same bin anyway just with different xmp profiles so I'd say to just go with whatever's cheaper when your ready to pull the trigger.
 
M1k3H said:
That's what I think also, plus the 3200 kit is now on offer as well! Decisions, decisions... I won't buy anything else until the motherboard is closer to shipping, unless a really good deal comes along. The 3600 kit was on offer last week I believe, hopefully it'll be on offer again before I order!
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Can you remember how much the 3600MHz kit was on sale for last week?
 
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