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Except when they get hit by a Tsunami from the side right? Which is what happens when a pandemic is on-going and the major base of operations and manufacturing announces they are going to put more restrictions in place.
Why would you get in something you think is going to fail?
Certainly will, but not for Tesla.
Oh, on that we are agreed. TSLA will be fine - either in its current state or some other configuration. Its shareholders, however...
Look: I understand the bull case. Yet, the level of sheer greed, observable daily, is astonishing, and whenever that happens, history suggests (for the most part) that it's only a matter of time before things become unstuck.
TSLA might be the next AAPL. It really might. If you've doubled your money (or more) then congratulations. I sincerely and honestly mean that - any profit and market success is recognised by us fellow investors.
Remember: much of America got stimulus cheques, and - with the accessibility of the markets these days - the ability to invest at will. Being able to buy fractional shares has helped.
Might it be worth considering that there is a herd attitude going on here? That TSLA is this high 'just because' and that actually its risk/reward ratio is skewed?
I suppose it also depends on the size of your investment pot, and newer people to the game probably have little to lose in these gambles. No disrespect to anybody about that, but one's risk/reward ratio develops over the life course and maybe were I in a position to risk it big, I'd do the same.
Look: I understand the bull case. Yet, the level of sheer greed, observable daily, is astonishing, and whenever that happens, history suggests (for the most part) that it's only a matter of time before things become unstuck.
TSLA might be the next AAPL. It really might. If you've doubled your money (or more) then congratulations. I sincerely and honestly mean that - any profit and market success is recognised by us fellow investors.
Remember: much of America got stimulus cheques, and - with the accessibility of the markets these days - the ability to invest at will. Being able to buy fractional shares has helped.
Might it be worth considering that there is a herd attitude going on here? That TSLA is this high 'just because' and that actually its risk/reward ratio is skewed?
I suppose it also depends on the size of your investment pot, and newer people to the game probably have little to lose in these gambles. No disrespect to anybody about that, but one's risk/reward ratio develops over the life course and maybe were I in a position to risk it big, I'd do the same.
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Ultimately its society which benefits or does not, they decide but theres a lot of distortion in TSLA because its receiving many millions from providing so many zero emission cars they are paid to perform that service apparently. AAPL really was disliked as a stock for years and was great to trade and I was stupid to sell as it became part of sp500, now its held by the swiss central bank as a core asset in place of the bonkers QE programs of ECB and FED debt, in context all prices could be fake but not as distorted as treasury debt. 17.3m of AAPL apparently
Norway's wealth fund to the tune of 70k per capita is another one to watch as they hedged oil they did the right thing but where do they place it now, Japan holds 1tn of US debt yet its central bank has 30 years of QE. All central banks are net buyers of gold over a decade so thats the simple thing to hold overall imo. vs the idea of shorting maybe doesnt work anymore, you sell the stock to hold dollar which is a less valid asset then owning a productive company really so you need to be a trading professional to walk that tightrope and watch that daily.
Norway's wealth fund to the tune of 70k per capita is another one to watch as they hedged oil they did the right thing but where do they place it now, Japan holds 1tn of US debt yet its central bank has 30 years of QE. All central banks are net buyers of gold over a decade so thats the simple thing to hold overall imo. vs the idea of shorting maybe doesnt work anymore, you sell the stock to hold dollar which is a less valid asset then owning a productive company really so you need to be a trading professional to walk that tightrope and watch that daily.
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thanks, so as I already have an isa that doesn’t support US stocks that I’m using for this tax year, is Trading213 a good choice with their non-isa investment accounts? Are they stable enough for long term holds or would you advise other options for buying US stocks?
They're fine. The underlying asset is yours anyway, even if the platform itself goes bust.
I think people expect Tesla to do to the car market what Apple did to the smartphone market. That's why they keep buying no matter the price. I was (and still am) one of those people. There's also an element of investors seeing Tesla as more of a diverse tech stock (like Apple, Google or Samsung) than simply a high-tech car manufacturer, there is some truth here with their battery technology.
However there's has to be a ceiling where all those benefits are basically "priced in". Tesla is now approaching a $300 billion market cap. 1.5x the size of the runner up (Toyota) and more than 3x the next one (VW).
Combined market cap of all major non-Tesla car manufacturers across the world is about $600 billion. I'm not drawing any conclusions from this, only that to me it seems like any hope of a Tesla-dominated future in the car market is already priced in.
I bought at $300 and haven't sold yet. But am now thinking of taking my gains look for another chance to come back.
The writing is on the wall for the cars IMO, and I agree most of that is now 'in'. I think by 2030 they will have a large chunk of the car market which will account for the current market cap.
BUT for me, they're not a car company. They're a clean energy company with a software tilt - THIS is where the huge potential is. Go and add up the market caps of all the top energy companies (inc Oil & Gas) then add a dollop of super high margin software & technology licensing on top to all the legacy car companies that want to stay alive AND the revenue potential of Tesla Fleet and boom that's a big company.
I've been in since early 2016, over a few months they showed the Model 3 + Master Plan part 2 + Nvidia PX2 and it was just obvious to me - this is huge.
Think that's sensible. Might be a few fall and a few take up the slack. Or it might not get back to past for years.
I'm fairly pleased with my aviva shares. I put everything I had into aviva because I thought they looked oversold and seemed robust.
And the amazing dividend.
I belive I got in at over 10 percent yield if they don't cut.
Went in 3 times which averaged at 230 (295 at time of post)
Not too bad.
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Pandemic isnt over until widespread vaccine and they can say if it mutates or not, so thats next year. So airlines have over capacity till then alongside quite few similar boom type industries that nothing can reinflate. Gamble on easyjet is probably less of bargain then some other choice, like RR is going to be safer then the end users I think. That did go 240 to 420 and back down again to 270 now.
TSLA is full, its obviously gained from speculation. Its hard to argue against any gamble type proposition, it will put in some peak pattern as a warning somebody notices then it will finally top out I just dont see taking a risk if -20% or similar is possible. Always leave profits for the next trade, next buyer is good advice.
Ive sold out AAZ previous, its come a long way but at present Im accumulating it probably this whole year. Its been a fair buy and the whole sector pretty much since april '19. I think the risk reward makes it fair to hold even without knowing if its already peaked for this year.
TSLA is full, its obviously gained from speculation. Its hard to argue against any gamble type proposition, it will put in some peak pattern as a warning somebody notices then it will finally top out I just dont see taking a risk if -20% or similar is possible. Always leave profits for the next trade, next buyer is good advice.
I went with Boeing Airbus Raytheon and rolls Royce
Safran is partnered with Ge for cfm engines which are going on the Boeing maxes and the Airbus NEos for ahirt range so good solid future.
Raytheon covers pratt and whitney too, so RR, Raytheon and safran gives good explore to the engine sector
Rolls Royce has some exclusives like the 350 but that may change. I mostly went because they're down so much it was a bit of a gamble really.
I'm aiming to cash out on most of these in approx 4-5 years
I've mostly invested individually for things down with the virus but got in in April with an isa so missed the March dip.
Am I right in thinking it's best to wait to invest in some bonds for the recovery to be complete for safety next time or is it really not worth it?
Anyone using trade 212 I've entered the autoinvest/pies beta so I would like to set up some more etf style stuff for long term rather than just cashing in on Corona. Atm only etf I use is a Nasdaq qqq one to capture tech stuff as I am too hands off to follow things in the fast tech world.
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Yep down 18% and 31% on two small (in monetary terms) airline investments.
Tefal, you must got in at the very lowest on Delta. I'm down nearly 20% on that one.
Also curious, what has got you into Airbus?
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I've sold all my investments/gambles.
I complete on my house in 1 month and this has allowed me to pay off over half of it and furnish it.
I've started to read in the media the bubble is bursting, correction is coming.
This is a self fulfilling prophecy from my woeful experience.
I'll be back to play more stockmarket roulette in a few months.
I complete on my house in 1 month and this has allowed me to pay off over half of it and furnish it.
I've started to read in the media the bubble is bursting, correction is coming.
This is a self fulfilling prophecy from my woeful experience.
I'll be back to play more stockmarket roulette in a few months.
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Seems very reasonable to utilise money to some advantage like house finance. Ultimately markets derive the greatest use for money which I think is security. Thats where gold is ironic, first thing is it appears as jewellery but it actually represents security and that certain value it keeps and this is where the market will drive it to apparently even in recession. Its rising now and will continue because paper notes in the overall monetary base are altering so much, volatility is a bull market.
I think premier oil bonds were a better bet a while back, in its fixed repayment it must have done better then the shares have over a longer time period. Shares will outperform bonds if the company is growing I would expect, the only bonds I hold are via funds where someone has spent their whole career asking that question every day and trying to find the balance. APF is a company which finances mines and takes royalties for that, I like that idea so long as they lend well and that sector is valid
Canada is likely a good market for many years going forward, thought that for a while. https://youtu.be/dqApxbgNoa8?t=510
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