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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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Touch a nerve?
I find it a bit tiresome that we get this for page after page on this thread. No nerve to touch though, I’ll happily go AMD if they’re out around the same time and have better performance.
To be expected as it's still all rumours, supposed leaks and random pics cropping up occasionally. It'll likely be this way til they're officially launched.
But they produce frames. That's why people buy them, and they're happy to pay more for that final 30% performance than they would for the first 30% performance.
Right now in consumer electronics, people have stopped caring about price to performance, and Nvidia (and almost everyone else) has been using it to their advantage. That's why flagship phones and laptops are now more expensive than they used to be. Simply because people pay for them.
Anything is possible but there needs to be a precedent and it seems very unlikely at this stage Nvidia will deviate. They seem to know their customerbase that well at least.
When AMD have had the better flagship cards in the past (a long time ago), Nvidia usually resort to software measures to artificially lock AMD out of a feature, or a performance mode, or resort to lowering image quality in drivers.
That said, I highly doubt AMD's top end big navi card will outperform Nvidia's top end. I expect the 3080ti to run rings around big navi, performance per watt wise. It's likely the card I'll get to power my CX48.
AMD has much more chance of having the superior mid-high end offering, in terms of performance per dollar. This won't matter due to the Nvidia influencer army, who'll convince the masses to get the more expensive 3060/3070, over the potentially faster AMD equivalent.
Having the fastest flagship is important in influencing/manipulating the minds of simpletons (who then go on to buy 3050/3060/3070 cards in huge numbers), it's something AMD need to work on.
There is good reason for that and that is the awful stagnated state of the monitor market for the last 5 years. You have poorly made monitors with faults like backlight bleed and other issues which cost more than £2k and don't even come close to being as good as a £1500 OLED tv.
So the equivalent would be Nvidia and AMD having launched nothing but slight incremental improvements for 5 years and then suddenly Intel comes along with a gfx card which is more than twice as fast and they launch it for $799.
No, they haven't. *Some* people might mortgage their lives to buy bragging rights, but that's not new.
I would love for Nvidia to really test this. Release a 3080Ti with decent price/performance, then also release a Titan that has 1gb more VRAM and runs 1% faster for twice the price.
-Then see how many gamers buy "the best".
Of course, things should happen within reason. Swap that 1% for 30%, and many people will pay 60-100% more for that top 30% performance.
There's a reason premium brands (and premium products) in consumer electronics have been very successful lately. People just buy them. You might not, but enough do so that making those products makes business sense for them.
No OLED is perfect just like no monitor is. OLED and TVs in general are plagued with faults as well. Just poor quality standards.
Obviously I know what I’d risk and own over a £2000 monitor or £2000 OLED but neither technology is far from perfect unless you win the panel lottery which in my experience is quite slim.
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OLED imperfections and a panel lottery? Really? Can you back that statement up..
He's probably trolling. Whilst there is no perfect monitor out there, it can't be denied that OLED's are the safest option in terms of panel lottery. There is zero risk of back light bleed, something that all IPS monitors are plagued with.
Of course you can have uniformity issues, though the newer CX OLEDS from LG are a big improvement here too. I don't see anyone in the owners thread complaining of it on this forum, and we have quite a few owners now. The same can't be said for other popular monitor threads, they are all plague with issues.
Indeed OLED has a few minor faults but compared to the horrendous list that monitors are plagued with its miniscule. People should not be having to buy 7 £2000 monitors just to buy one that is almost acceptable with its faults and will still give a far inferior picture than a run of mill £1500 OLED TV.
I mean before the LG came along I was looking at spending £4500 to get the monitor which was going to be an upgrade on the one I have already and now that is even delayed and wont be out until the end of this year/beginning of next.
And I suspect now won;t even look as good as the LG does.
That's very subjective and varies from one person to the next. I'm still skeptical that Nvidia's sold as many 2080Ti's as they wanted to. I wouldn't expect them to admit if they hadn't though.
hadn't
Nvidia's profit margins have been steadily increasing in the last 20 years (37% in 2005, 63% now). Suggesting that people are paying more and more for their high margin products. No business is ever content with the sale of their high margin products so you're right there by definition (also true of every single product ever released in history of mankind), there's no limit to how many X Nvidia wants to sale. They always want to sale more.
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OLED has stuttering, you only need to look at video reviews and numerous other sites to see that. I wouldn't buy one and I'd rather stick to my monitor.
There is a point between supply and demand where maximum *total* profit can be made. Nvidia (any company) can set prices so high that they actual lose money.
Everyone seems to assume Nvidia aren't there yet. We shall see.
I agree, and I'm one of those people (as much as I hate it).