EV general discussion

Haggisman said:
To be fair, if you're driving 1500 miles a year then owning any car isn't going to be the best option, as the fixed costs (MOT/VED/insurance) are going to dwarf any running costs, and it would probably make more sense to rent a car the odd time you need one or walk/cycle :p
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This. I rented cars for 2 years and I was doing ~5-10,000 miles a year for planned work and booked family visits/holidays and I didn't need impromptu use. Once you accrue hires and the staff get to know you (Europcar in this case) I was hiring a Golf or similar for £30 for an entire weekend (Fri-Mon). Even if I hired it every weekend for an entire year the total cost was less than my previous car's (Clio) insurance, MOT and tax.
 
Haggisman said:
To be fair, if you're driving 1500 miles a year then owning any car isn't going to be the best option, as the fixed costs (MOT/VED/insurance) are going to dwarf any running costs, and it would probably make more sense to rent a car the odd time you need one or walk/cycle :p
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I did think that, it must be enormously expensive per mile. I used to have a 350Z and for the few occasions I needed more than 2 seats (probably about 10-15 times a year) it was cheaper to either get a taxi or hire a car than fuel, tax and insure even a banger.
 
r22snapper said:
I did think that, it must be enormously expensive per mile. I used to have a 350Z and for the few occasions I needed more than 2 seats (probably about 10-15 times a year) it was cheaper to either get a taxi or hire a car than fuel, tax and insure even a banger.
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I don't actually need a car, this is true, in fact the wife would love me to get rid of it as we probably don't really need 2 vehicles at all, problem is I want one. I like messing with them & driving them, it's a toy I guess (old ST220) but is still useable for normal usage, week after next i'll need to do a 400 mile round trip to deliver 110 card terminals to a customer, pretty sure they will all fit in the boot, and i'll enjoy the drive.

But even the wifes 60 plate Skoda Octavia doing about 7k miles a year, i still can't make an EV work out cheaper than that to run.
 
Fair do's. There are still many cases when an electric car doesn't work as well as ICE, it is noticeable how quickly they're improving now. Personally once I can get a guaranteed 250 motorway miles in an electric car that looks decent and doesn't cost the earth I'll move over. I'll probably keep the M3 for high days and holidays though!
 
The EV world is not a cheap world to get into, its not for those of us that like to tinker or those of us who are more budget end of the market.

Just the cost of chargers and installs show that its a market that people are looking to make a good chunk of money, decent chargers are £7-800, and how the manufacturers justify that cost is beyond me, even buying a replacement tethered type 2 cable means a scandalous £100.
 
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Tinders said:
The EV world is not a cheap world to get into, its not for those of us that like to tinker or those of us who are more budget end of the market.

Just the cost of chargers and installs show that its a market that people are looking to make a good chunk of money, decent chargers are £7-800, and how the manufacturers justify that cost is beyond me, even buying a replacement tethered type 2 cable means a scandalous £100.
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Yep for people that buy £1500 corsas 2 mots away from the scrap heap should stick to buying those as they will provide the cheapest price.

If someone wants a premium car then they have become competitive.
 
Tinders said:
Just the cost of chargers and installs show that its a market that people are looking to make a good chunk of money, decent chargers are £7-800, and how the manufacturers justify that cost is beyond me, even buying a replacement tethered type 2 cable means a scandalous £100.
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I agree with the former but not sure what your getting at with this part of the post. Is it based on anything specifically?

The BOM for a charger isn’t going to be anything close to its retail cost but there is so much more to fitting a charger is so much more than just slapping it on the wall. There are specific regulations that need to be followed like installing an additional earthing rod and armoured (expensive) cable. Half the cost is in the install and sundry items, it’s a couple of hours work for the most basic of install.


£100 for a type 2 cable isn’t scandalous, flexible cable with thick insulation capable of delivering 7kw in all weathers with 2 robust, waterproof type 2 connectors isn’t cheap.
 
Tinders said:
Just the cost of chargers and installs show that its a market that people are looking to make a good chunk of money, decent chargers are £7-800, and how the manufacturers justify that cost is beyond me, even buying a replacement tethered type 2 cable means a scandalous £100.
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The charger point is the governments fault. They introduced a grant and used to pay £500 of the install, so immediately all the prices shot up to maximise it.
 
Matthew.M said:
The charger point is the governments fault. They introduced a grant and used to pay £500 of the install, so immediately all the prices shot up to maximise it.
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Again, is there actually any evidence of installers profiteering...?

Remember the wiring regulations also changed which pushed up the cost and the requirement to install smart chargers using the grant also up the cost....
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I agree with the former but not sure what your getting at with this part of the post. Is it based on anything specifically?

The BOM for a charger isn’t going to be anything close to its retail cost but there is so much more to fitting a charger is so much more than just slapping it on the wall. There are specific regulations that need to be followed like installing an additional earthing rod and armoured (expensive) cable. Half the cost is in the install and sundry items, it’s a couple of hours work for the most basic of install.


£100 for a type 2 cable isn’t scandalous, flexible cable with thick insulation capable of delivering 7kw in all weathers with 2 robust, waterproof type 2 connectors isn’t cheap.
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Are they designed to be driven over as well?
 
I wonder do the installers have to pay a fee to be on the OLEV grand scheme? That could explain the increased cost.

ive been quoted 1k for a fairly straight forward install of a 7kw pod point (15m run And no earth rod required), I only paid 550 for a CU upgrade earlier this year, which included an EICR and a decent Split CU. Hence why I think the prices are a tad inflated.
 
They seemed sceptical about the p2 mileage claims - but they must have had the WLTP tests by now and their USA equiavlent - or, is that half the story. ?
waiting for the first OC delivery shots.

what's up with VW id and this supposed software problem, with partial delivery in September ? some of the reports seem to suggest it is trivialities with their users interface (equivalnt of Idrive ?) as opposed to something with the motor control, which would be more serious
eg https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analysis-how-volkswagen-tackling-new-software-challenges
https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-id3-issues-audi-ceo-in-charge/
 
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