NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Jacky60]

Turning off AA depends on the performance hit and screen size. 4K 40" monitor and I can see the jaggies/crawlies. Fine on a 27" screen but a stretch on bigger screens.

 

[gpuerrilla]

How can you even judge that? Surely it completely depends on what someone's existing card was?

Well unless you needed a better card than you had its your choice.. but this thread is referring to the next gen of cards and judging by what most people who own a 1000 series have said (they didnt upgrade as they felt RTX was either overpriced or didnt offer them something they needed). Proven for example with the 1080ti (as per @Woodsta888 ), and another fella recently posted on here about not upgrading his 1070 for same reason.

We can upgrade for a generic uplift of 20% per generation (like other components) but to increase that price and dangle - "oh you get Raytracing aswell its so worth it" people did not literally buy it!!
So by all means get the new card, get the 20% improvement from the last gen, but dont also slap on another tax pushing the tier price up some more its a joke. [1080ti release price $699, 2080ti release price $1199 - yes thats $500 increase].

 

[five8five]

I cannot clarify because he did not specify. Here's the video:

It was a genuine question because it seemed like a random comment in an Nvidia thread and things are posted in the wrong thread from time to time. I also did check the AMD thread to see if it was in there.

Thanks for the link. Unless I'm missing something, he's talking about AMD AIBs?

 

[Jono8]

Well unless you needed a better card than you had its your choice.. but this thread is referring to the next gen of cards and judging by what most people who own a 1000 series have said (they didnt upgrade as they felt RTX was either overpriced or didnt offer them something they needed). Proven for example with the 1080ti (as per @Woodsta888 ), and another fella recently posted on here about not upgrading his 1070 for same reason.

We can upgrade for a generic uplift of 20% per generation (like other components) but to increase that price and dangle - "oh you get Raytracing aswell its so worth it" people did not literally buy it!!
So by all means get the new card, get the 20% improvement from the last gen, but dont also slap on another tax pushing the tier price up some more its a joke. [1080ti release price $699, 2080ti release price $1199 - yes thats $500 increase].

So you meant the 2000 series was a bad buy if you already owned a top tier 1000 series card , not that it was a bad buy generally?

 

[JediFragger]

Tbf it's always the best idea to skip a generation as an enthusiast, Ti-to-Ti seems the best if you can afford it! It's only us nutcases that don't

 

[Quartz]

Thanks for the link. Unless I'm missing something, he's talking about AMD AIBs?

While the video is mainly about AMD, he covers both AMD & Nvidia and I think he was dropping a deliberate hint. Nvidia are expected to be announcing their GPUs this month for a September release whereas AMD are not - more likely October / November time - so it makes more sense for manufacturers to be checking his address now for Nvidia cards than AMD ones.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Are people still whinging about people who bought a 2080Ti? Seriously?

We're like the Lemmings that decided not to jump... Although I agree there's no need to point and laugh.

When your card/s can do 4K dial all settings up to the max

Settings to the max should never be a default, if it was then why would we have settings? It's one of the things that makes PC gaming what it is; tailor things to your individual circumstances/taste.

 

[five8five]

While the video is mainly about AMD, he covers both AMD & Nvidia and I think he was dropping a deliberate hint. Nvidia are expected to be announcing their GPUs this month for a September release whereas AMD are not - more likely October / November time - so it makes more sense for manufacturers to be checking his address now for Nvidia cards than AMD ones.

I agree, that's why I was clarifying it with you.

Big Navi is on track for 2020, that can be Dec 31st for all we know....Lisa Su has confirmed it in a financial meeting and we have some rumours being leaked that give us some more concrete information about it... here's the thing, this isn't breaking any NDA but I've had some brands reach out to us verifying shipping information...

I'm taking it as being AMD from listening to it.
It does seem a little strange.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

To be fair he also said a 5700XT would have to be 350% faster to be 50% faster than a 2080Ti. His maths is terrible!

 

[Vertigo]

JayzTwoCents has just said - in a video about AMD's Big Navi - that he's had video card manufacturers contacting him to confirm his shipping address.

Really looking forward to his in depth analysis, not. He's a farce these days, unsubbed a while ago.

 

[Kaapstad]

Are people still whinging about people who bought a 2080Ti? Seriously?

It is entirely up to people what they do with their money and others have no right to criticize them for doing it.

I am on record for saying I think Turing is too expensive but that does not mean that people are wrong to buy them, I have bought several myself.

I also think that NVidia are not overcharging for the cards as you get a lot of silicon for your money and I would be surprised if they were making much money from 2080 Ti and Titan sales. I suspect their margins on these cards in percentage terms are not much different to what AMD charge for their high end cards.

If people really want to see NVidia get back to lower prices with the upcoming 3XXX cards they are going to have to accept little or no performance increase over the 2XXX series, this is something people are not going to be willing to go along with.

Turing is expensive because of the new tech features packed onto very large dies and the question anyone should ask is "are DLSS and RTX worth it to me", it is wrong to criticize anyone else for answering yes or no to that.

 

[Phixsator]

To be fair he also said a 5700XT would have to be 350% faster to be 50% faster than a 2080Ti. His maths is terrible!

I had a good laugh when he said that. A silly brainfart

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I also think that NVidia are not overcharging for the cards as you get a lot of silicon for your money and I would be surprised if they were making much money from 2080 Ti and Titan sales. I suspect their margins on these cards in percentage terms are not much different to what AMD charge for their high end cards.

Nvidia margins are at mining levels......without the mining. IIRC,they are higher than Apple,with nearly 2/3 of their revenue from gaming sales.

 

[Doobedoo]

If people really want to see NVidia get back to lower prices with the upcoming 3XXX cards they are going to have to accept little or no performance increase over the 2XXX series, this is something people are not going to be willing to go along with.

Personally I think if people really want to see Nvidia resume normality in regards to pricing they need to start buying Amd.

Sure, if Nvidia are the only one with high performing halo card and you really need that extra performance and are willing to pay for it then fair enough. But if Amd have a comparative card at lower or similar pricing, then the smart, bigger picture thing to do would be to buy Amd.

 

[Twinz]

If people really want to see NVidia get back to lower prices with the upcoming 3XXX cards they are going to have to accept little or no performance increase over the 2XXX series, this is something people are not going to be willing to go along with.

This guy put it together well on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/c...i_the_rtx_3080_has_about_20_increase/fyrfh3a/

For reference here is information about previous releases of Nvidia:

GTX 780 Ti - $699 - (7.11.2013)

GTX 980 - $550 (18.9.2014) - 7% faster than 780 Ti, $150 cheaper, 10 months after the release of 780 Ti

GTX 980 Ti - $650 (1.6.2015) - 30% faster than 780 Ti, $50 cheaper, 18 months after the release of 780 Ti

GTX 1080 - $600 launch (27.5.2016) , cut to $500 (1.3.2017) - 27% faster than 980 Ti, $150 cheaper, 12 months after the release of 980 Ti

GTX 1080 Ti - $700 (5.3.2017) - 43% faster than 980 Ti, $50 more expensive, 21 months after the release of 980 Ti

(EDIT: Anandtech puts 1080 Ti at +74% at 4K and +68% at 1440p over the 980 Ti)

RTX 2080 - $700 (20.9.2018) - 8% faster than 1080 Ti, same price, 18 months after the release of 1080 Ti

RTX 2080 Ti - $1000 (27.9.2018) - 29% faster than 1080 Ti, $300 more expensive, 18 months after the release of 1080 Ti

RTX 3080 - $??? (9.2020?) - 20% faster than 2080 Ti (?), unknown price, almost 24 months after the release of 2080 Ti

RTX 3080 Ti - $??? (9.2020?) - 35%-40% faster than 2080 Ti (?), unknown price, almost 24 months after the release of 2080 Ti

Performance figures are from techpowerup.com

Given the whole 2 years from Turing to Ampere, 20% is hardly impressive. Pricing will decide the fate of these cards. Also, the second time Nvidia left performance on the table by going with an inferior node, like with Turing.

Nvidia's progress stagnated with Turing.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Personally I think if people really want to see Nvidia resume normality in regards to pricing they need to start buying Amd.

I'm seriously considering a console purchase this year, I'm tired of the GPU thing and maybe even a 3080ti at £750 won't tempt me. I could kick the can down the road for another 2 years and do a full PC upgrade if the prices have settled by then.

Having moved from ultrawide to OLED there's even less of a pull to stick with PC and the MS game pass thing is also drawing me in.

 

[Too Tall]

You're dreaming if you think the 3080Ti is going to be £750.

It won't be under a grand.

 

[Doobedoo]

I'm seriously considering a console purchase this year, I'm tired of the GPU thing and maybe even a 3080ti at £750 won't tempt me. I could kick the can down the road for another 2 years and do a full PC upgrade if the prices have settled by then.

Having moved from ultrawide to OLED there's even less of a pull to stick with PC and the MS game pass thing is also drawing me in.

Yep. Initially I was set to replace the 980ti with a new gen Nvidia card thinking that the last series was a one off with the pricing. Now that it seems that it’s the new norm I won’t buy nvidia purely out of principle.

I really want to reward Amd for fantastic work they’ve been doing recently especially in the CPU space. But, if they think they can follow the nvidia pricing structure then I’ll just leave the pc as it is and go for a PS5. I can afford any of them but I will not pay silly prices full stop.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

You're dreaming if you think the 3080Ti is going to be £750.

It won't be under a grand.

Like I said, I'm seriously considering a console purchase and I can assure you I'm not paying anywhere near a grand for a GPU.

 

[gpuerrilla]

GTX 780 Ti - $699 - (7.11.2013)

GTX 980 - $550 (18.9.2014) - 7% faster than 780 Ti, $150 cheaper, 10 months after the release of 780 Ti

GTX 980 Ti - $650 (1.6.2015) - 30% faster than 780 Ti, $50 cheaper, 18 months after the release of 780 Ti

This is possible as its been done before. The 980/Ti were faster and cheaper. Its not exactly hard to release this new one below $1200...

Yep. Initially I was set to replace the 980ti with a new gen Nvidia card thinking that the last series was a one off with the pricing. Now that it seems that it’s the new norm I won’t buy nvidia purely out of principle.

This has been my stance on them for a while, if they stood toe to toe with AMD on pricing or even chanced an undercut once in a while it would be appreciated.