NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Dirk Diggler]

I guess the gamble is on whether the prices stay the same or drop however....but to be honest, I see them roughly the same. Thoughts?

Price doesn't really matter as you'll get the value you paid for your original card.

You should also bear in mind that any card you step up to is likely to be a reference model i.e. blower type cooler. That puts a lot of people off.

 

[LeMson]

Price doesn't really matter as you'll get the value you paid for your original card.

You should also bear in mind that any card you step up to is likely to be a reference model i.e. blower type cooler. That puts a lot of people off.

Reference is no longer a blower *hope this continues and amd switch too

 

[Grim5]

The next month is going to be painful waiting for the Ampere launch.

31 days to go till Ampere

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Reference is no longer a blower *hope this continues and amd switch too

Good info, cheers.

 

[TNA]

The next month is going to be painful waiting for the Ampere launch.

31 days to go till Ampere

Why, your 2080Ti not cutting the mustard?

 

[Grim5]

Why, your 2080Ti not cutting the mustard?

My card is a beast mate but I'm itching to drop cash it's been nearly two years since I bought the 2080ti that's a long time with no upgrade

But also, I really need a GPU with HDMI 2.1 and have been waiting a long time for it already

 

[TNA]

My card is a beast mate but I'm itching to drop cash it's been nearly two years since I bought the 2080ti that's a long time with no upgrade

But also, I really need a GPU with HDMI 2.1 and have been waiting a long time for it already

Yea, I know what you mean. 2080Ti is old tech now. Need the shiny 3000 series cards.

I skipped the 2000 series and looking forward to the 3000 series, like you I want HDMI 2.1 so I can finally hook it up to my OLED TV

 

[Quartz]

Personally I'm more excited about what's coming after Ampere and Big Navi.

Hopper? There's already a thread for that.

 

[Richdog]

The next month is going to be painful waiting for the Ampere launch.

31 days to go till Ampere

It's a bit of a painful wait, same with Zen3. My 1660 Super and 3300x are going to do a Clark Kent, go into a phone box and transform into a 3080 and 4900x.

I do have some concerns over this Samsung 8nm process though and think Nvidia really dropped the ball with TSMC. It looks like the middle of next year will see a 7nm refresh. I hope they give the 3080 Ti the max specs possible so that it stays at the top for the duration of the lifecycle, as with previous generations. Once you start refreshing a Ti, then you know something is wrong.

 

[JediFragger]

I do have some concerns over this Samsung 8nm process though and think Nvidia really dropped the ball with TMSC. It looks like the middle of next year will see a 7nm refresh. I hope they give the 3080 Ti the max specs possible so that it stays at the top for the duration of the lifecycle, as with previous generations. Once you start refreshing a Ti, then you know something is wrong.

Yeah, looks like next year's Supers will be a decent boost esp if AMD keep pushing them as expected

I'm waiting to see what both sides drop this year, but this XT is fine and will prob do til the New Year.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

If a super exists, doesn't that mean we've been shortchanged on the cards that are being released this year?
If the cards are the fastest for their tier, then the only thing faster would be new architect, not a re-release.

 

[Richdog]

If a super exists, doesn't that mean we've been shortchanged on the cards that are being released this year?
If the cards are the fastest for their tier, then the only thing faster would be new architect, not a re-release.

Erm, you know this already happened with Turing, right? Hence the 2070 Super etc. Same principle applies, but any Ampere Super editions are speculation at this point.

 

[TNA]

Erm, you know this already happened with Turing, right?

Lol

 

[Calin Banc]

So why are people needing the new gen 3080ti’s or a ps5? Because gpus have been struggling to provide a consistent high level experience. Yes I can run 4K on my 980ti but I have to make a lot of adjustments for it to be playable.

Also as it’s been pointed out numerous times. Steam hardware survey still has 1080p as the most used res. 4K is by no means mainstream. Yet.

Pretty much. Normally a tech is mainstream when mainstream users can use it. Requiring something like an overclocked 2080ti to get close to 4k@60fps (with no dips below), while aiming for higher settings, is far from mainstream.

Maybe if 2080ti would have been $249-$299, then yeah, would have been mainstream.

My main point is that console total memory is doubling. Consoles can use the majority of their shared 16GB of memory as VRAM - so VRAM allocation in AAA takes will very likely explode over the next year, rendering 8GB cards obsolete.

Will depend per resolution and how much they put into "ultra" textures vs. high, let's say.

Clearly it's a synergy of software and hardware but affordability is the key. Yes RT/path tracing etc but you need it ALL not just one or the other and at 1080P 60fps etc.

Yup, the price was way off this round. Hopefully 1080p@60fps performance with RT will come closer to previous mainstream levels (up to around $300).

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Erm, you know this already happened with Turing, right? Hence the 2070 Super etc. Same principle applies, but any Ampere Super editions are speculation at this point.

I'm missing how your post relates to mine.

Are you saying that we should expect Nvidia to short change us on performance for the Ampere cards?

 

[BigBANGtheory]

If a super exists, doesn't that mean we've been shortchanged on the cards that are being released this year?
If the cards are the fastest for their tier, then the only thing faster would be new architect, not a re-release.

so if you don't trust Nvidia or care about getting value for your money you shouldn't pre-order, wait until the full picture is out and on the table. Imagine the scenario where a Zen3 system performs better with Navi for example

 

[Richdog]

I'm missing how your post relates to mine.

Are you saying that we should expect Nvidia to short change us on performance for the Ampere cards?

You don't see how my post relates to yours... really? Like, at all? Phew... an intellectual discussion with you is not easy, chuk.

Your post talked about Super editions like it was a new thing. It's not a new thing. It obviously happened with Turing and Nvidia clearly see now it as a viable mid-refresh strategy to maintain the performance lead and to compensate for any advancements in the manufacturing process since the initial cards were released.

If Nvidia release most things from Ampere on the Samsung 8nm process, then we can realistically expect to see a 7nm refresh with improved clocks and specs next year. This is because, as we all should know by now, Nvidia failed to secure TSMC production capacity and had to switch to Samsungs inferior process in order to fulfil production requirements. However, even if Nvidia did release everything on 7nm, I would still realistically expect to see a Super refresh next year because Nvidia now know that this mid-cycle strategy works and was accepted by the community, who voted with their wallets.

So in this regard, unless you buy a 3080Ti, then you are very likely going to have a card that will be superceded next year. However, at the moment it would not surprise me if they refreshed the Ti too in some form, though I hope that would not be the case as historically this card was the golden child and remained top dog until the end of the cycle.

 

[five8five]

If a super exists, doesn't that mean we've been shortchanged on the cards that are being released this year?
If the cards are the fastest for their tier, then the only thing faster would be new architect, not a re-release.

Are you new to PC tech (joke)
It's nothing new. Nvidia have done it with Ti versions lower down the stack. AMD have just done it with XT CPUs.

It does bring up the old connundrum, wait for the new release. Sit tight for the S series and the 4000 series is only 12 months away.

If you always wait you can save a packet of money

 

[Richdog]

Are you new to PC tech (joke)
It's nothing new. Nvidia have done it with Ti versions lower down the stack. AMD have just done it with XT CPUs.

It does bring up the old connundrum, wait for the new release. Sit tight for the S series and the 4000 series is only 12 months away.

If you always wait you can save a packet of money

Yeah you are right and I didn't mention the Ti's (like from the old 750 days) as I didn't want to confuse things even further now that Ti refers to the top cards, so referred only to the current "Super" editions.

One of the only smart buys at the beginning of a generation is the top-end Ti version which stays performant and retains a lot of value during the lifecycle. I hope Ampere doesn't buck this trend.

 

[opethdisciple]

It's a bit of a painful wait, same with Zen3. My 1660 Super and 3300x are going to do a Clark Kent, go into a phone box and transform into a 3080 and 4900x.

I do have some concerns over this Samsung 8nm process though and think Nvidia really dropped the ball with TSMC. It looks like the middle of next year will see a 7nm refresh. I hope they give the 3080 Ti the max specs possible so that it stays at the top for the duration of the lifecycle, as with previous generations. Once you start refreshing a Ti, then you know something is wrong.

You saying we should expect a 3000 series Super cards on 7nm refresh in about 6 months?