NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

michty_me · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:10

ljt said:
I don't know about anybody else, but in the past I used to look forward to upgrading parts on my PC.

Now all the fun has been sucked out of it, and it's more dread of how much an upgrade is going to cost, and what the ridiculous price increase is going to be this time.

Thats why I switched to console years back. I got fed up of upgrading all the time.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:12

ljt said:
I don't know about anybody else, but in the past I used to look forward to upgrading parts on my PC.

Now all the fun has been sucked out of it, and it's more dread of how much an upgrade is going to cost, and what the ridiculous price increase is going to be this time.

Same here. Seeing the same with more and more of my mates too. I think increasingly I will be behind the curve for games. Stick to ones a few years old.

labbby · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:15

12GB GDDR6X for the 3090 then ?

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/micron-c...0-with-12gb-of-gddr6x-memory-at-up-to-21gbps/

Dirk Diggler · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:19

JediFragger said:
Tbf there's an argument on a price/perf basis that 10** owners could even hold on til 2022 before upgrading, if they're happy with what they're currently getting of course

If the increase from 2080ti to 3080ti is the same as the previous increase, then yes I agree with your comment. The complication for some, myself included, is the benefit of HDMI 2.1 and Gsync compatibility. But even then, it might be better to go for a second hand 2070s or thereabouts and forget high refresh 4k for another couple of years.

Poneros · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:20

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The issue is if the pricing is correct,ie,a RTX3080 is nearly £1000,where does that place the RTX3060 at then?? Nearly £500??

That is not great,as an RTX2070 Super can be had for around £450 now,and before the current problems was frequently at that price.

Looking at TPU,an RTX2080 Super is only 14% faster at qHD,and a RTX2080TI is only 30% faster at qHD. That is not a great generational improvement.

Stu999 · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:29

ljt said:
I don't know about anybody else, but in the past I used to look forward to upgrading parts on my PC.

Now all the fun has been sucked out of it, and it's more dread of how much an upgrade is going to cost, and what the ridiculous price increase is going to be this time.

The only upgrade cost worth worrying about is the GPU. The rest of the build doesn’t have to be that expensive (barring some niche use cases).

edit - chartzzz. If your guess is in a chart it is 102% more likely to be believed.

ljt · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:29

michty_me said:
Thats why I switched to console years back. I got fed up of upgrading all the time.

I'm increasingly using consoles more now to be honest. However there are still a lot of games that I enjoy that are PC only. If the new console start to see more of those games come to them then I think I will.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Same here. Seeing the same with more and more of my mates too. I think increasingly I will be behind the curve for games. Stick to ones a few years old.

There are only 2 mates that have PC's (well one with a gaming laptop with a 1060 in, and one with a desktop with a rx580) All the rest are console only. Staying behind the curve is what I'm doing, none of the games I'm playing are "current" so actual "need" for an upgrade isn't that great.

five8five · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:33

labbby said:
12GB GDDR6X for the 3090 then ?

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/micron-c...0-with-12gb-of-gddr6x-memory-at-up-to-21gbps/

This morning the 3090 had 22GB of memory which quickly rose to 24GB. By the afternoon it's down to 12GB

ljt · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:33

Stu999 said:
The only upgrade cost worth worrying about is the GPU. The rest of the build doesn’t have to be that expensive (barring some niche use cases).

I was on about GPU's when I said upgrades, as this is a GPU thread

It's just GPU prices have become ridiculous for the performance uplift they offer. I enjoyed the days where at any given price point in the stack, you could expect 50% or more improvement every year, now it's 20-30% but with prices increased by the same amount, basically nullifying the performance gain

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:35

Poneros said:

If the top rises,they will rise the bottom also. They did it with Turing. I sincerely hope they don't. Because even £100 extra on an entry level or mainstream GPU is a significant amount of money.

Edit!!

They could try a GTX3050TI for £250,a GTX3060SE,for £350,and a GTX3060 for £450.

ljt said:
There are only 2 mates that have PC's (well one with a gaming laptop with a 1060 in, and one with a desktop with a rx580) All the rest are console only. Staying behind the curve is what I'm doing, none of the games I'm playing are "current" so actual "need" for an upgrade isn't that great.

Starting to see the same TBF. I am already behind the curve,but I suspect its going to get worse and worse. I have other hobbies I would rather spend money on.

ljt said:
I was on about GPU's when I said upgrades, as this is a GPU thread

It's just GPU prices have become ridiculous for the performance uplift they offer. I enjoyed the days where at any given price point in the stack, you could expect 50% or more improvement every year, now it's 20-30% but with prices increased by the same amount, basically nullifying the performance gain

Agreed,and for more mainstream/entry level gaming it's a bit of a disaster. Probably why some of the most popular games seem to have cartoony graphics now.

labbby · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:39

five8five said:
This morning the 3090 had 22GB of memory which quickly rose to 24GB. By the afternoon it's down to 12GB

yeah i took it with a pinch of salt until i saw the micron pdf attached to the article. Tomorrow morning it will be down to 6GB

Poneros · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:40

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If the top rises,they will rise the bottom also. They did it with Turing. I sincerely hope they don't. Because even £100 extra on an entry level or mainstream GPU is a significant amount of money.

Starting to see the same TBF. I am already behind the curve,but I suspect its going to get worse and worse. I have other hobbies I would rather spend money on.

Depends, where does the bottom end? If we look at all the GTX 1650s and 60s and the like, it hasn't been too bad on that front. Likely anything under $500 will still be very competitive in terms of price/perf. It's just the >$500 that's gonna get squeezed hard. Let's also not forget that AMD puts up quite stiff competition at mid & low end, it's only at the high end where they falter. Considering the console SOCs info I don't expect them to let up in those categories.

five8five · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:44

Guys and gals, can we really take the pricing rumours seriously considering the PCB leak and memory rumours (12,22,24GB)?

The Micron website info should be reliable but of course it could be a red herring or an accidental upload.

Would a 2000 dollar card only have 12GB of vram?

Poneros · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:47

five8five said:
Guys and gals, can we really take the pricing rumours seriously considering the PCB leak and memory rumours (12,22,24GB)?

The Micron website info should be reliable but of course it could be a red herring or an accidental upload.

Would a 2000 dollar card only have 12GB of vram?

It's not 12 GB vram. Those are just examples they give, but it's 24 GB. Look at Titan RTX, it also says 12 GB, but clearly we know that's not the case.

The info to gather from the Micron data is:
- 384bit
- GDDR6X
- 3090 is the name

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:48

Poneros said:
Depends, where does the bottom end? If we look at all the GTX 1650s and 60s and the like, it hasn't been too bad on that front. Likely anything under $500 will still be very competitive in terms of price/perf. It's just the >$500 that's gonna get squeezed hard. Let's also not forget that AMD puts up quite stiff competition at mid & low end, it's only at the high end where they falter. Considering the console SOCs info I don't expect them to let up in those categories.

The issue is the RTX2060 was pushed upto £350,which was very pricy for a mainstream GPU. AMD was meant to release an RX680,but saw the chance and pushed up the price,and renamed it the RX5700XT. So yes AMD will compete,but if Nvidia starts pushing up stuff,so will AMD,as its easy to undercut the pricing,but also not too much. The GTX1650 and GTX1660 are OK,but were not anything special. It's especially evident when I am helping upgrade mates rigs with older GPUs,even after a few years,the performance improvements are not as great as one would imagine,given the passage of time.

five8five · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:49

labbby said:
yeah i took it with a pinch of salt until i saw the micron pdf attached to the article. Tomorrow morning it will be down to 6GB

Deflation, makes a change from inflation

five8five · 14 Aug 2020 at 15:51

Poneros said:
It's not 12 GB vram. Those are just examples they give, but it's 24 GB. Look at Titan RTX, it also says 12 GB, but clearly we know that's not the case.

The info to gather from the Micron data is:
- 384bit
- GDDR6X
- 3090 is the name

We don't really know at this stage. It could released to confuse........

Marak · 14 Aug 2020 at 16:18

ljt said:
It's just GPU prices have become ridiculous for the performance uplift they offer. I enjoyed the days where at any given price point in the stack, you could expect 50% or more improvement every year, now it's 20-30% but with prices increased by the same amount, basically nullifying the performance gain

Good times, but unfortunately over a decade of central banks spunking vast quantities of newly printed money all over the place (except on us lot of course) is coming home to roost now.

Expect the prices to be gobsmacking.

Doobedoo · 14 Aug 2020 at 16:22

To be honest I think people are now just accepting/expecting the prices to be silly. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if they are less than current gen.

TrojanWhore · 14 Aug 2020 at 16:24

If the xx70 has 8GB, for the third generation running I'll be very disappointed...

Unless they're doing some texture compression voodoo resulting in more than 12GB in practical application, which is the minimum I think it should have given that 5120x1440+ high Hz screens are a thing.