NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Chuk_Chuk]

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If they aren't careful they will end up with a similar situation to the motorcycle industry. The younger generation won't be interested and will be left, trying to milk their aging audience as much as possible.

 

[Quartz]

I think a 3070 will be $700+ depending on brand.

Why do you think people will be willing to spend that much on a GPU alone when the new consoles will be an outstanding platform for 1080p gaming and a good enough platform for 4k gaming at $500?

 

[Satchfanuk]

Any real news on power consumption? Dont really want to be upgrading my PSU but im moving cases soon so that would be a good time to do it, IF i need too.

Currently have a Evga 650W Gold2

Based on the rumours of Nvidia introducing some weird 12 pin power adaptor and the leaked pics showing 3 x 8 pin on a 3080 pcb, we have nothing concrete to say what the power consumption will be,

But if you want to speculation, 3 x 8 pin = 450w plus pcie connection = 75w so anything up to 525w is possible

 

[Marak]

Most of the people who have grown up with PC gaming like this(including me) remember how the PC enthusiast genre started.

It was nothing to do with E-PEEN like you suggested. It was about modding cheaper hardware to match more expensive stuff,as a form of defiance. Even the people back in the day,who could afford the more expensive CPUs(which could also be modded) never bothered,as it was boring and not fun.

We all remember,how brilliant it was when competition brought prices down,and performance up.

Literally everyone I know from that era,is looking at the current era,are saying the best days of the enthusiast era are behind,the same with many thinking the older games were also better. It seems to be increasingly more about marketing and E-PEEN.

Not sure where you read e-peen into it mate, bit of projection there perhaps?

The point was that the first big generation of gamers now have the most disposable income they will probably ever have in their lives. If nVidia want to make a monster GPU costing thousands there is now a market for it where before there really wasn't. That's one of the reasons pricing is increasing so much recently in my opinion, along with other factors such as the economy and central bank fiat currency printing.

From my point of view these are great days, performance is stellar, driver issues are largely behind us (haven't used AMD for a while so I don't know what that's like), graphics cards can last years rather than 6 months or so like in the early noughties, the 1000 series are still good cards right now for example, and people are still rocking Sandy Bridge CPU's. Things tend to just work when plugged in so we can get on with gaming.

 

[Mensy]

Based on the rumours of Nvidia introducing some weird 12 pin power adaptor and the leaked pics showing 3 x 8 pin on a 3080 pcb, we have nothing concrete to say what the power consumption will be,

But if you want to speculation, 3 x 8 pin = 450w plus pcie connection = 75w so anything up to 525w is possible

There gonna be running hot enough to fry and egg aint they

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not sure where you read e-peen into it mate, bit of projection there perhaps?

The point was that the first big generation of gamers now have the most disposable income they will probably ever have in their lives. If nVidia want to make a monster GPU costing thousands there is now a market for it where before there really wasn't. That's one of the reasons pricing is increasing so much recently in my opinion, along with other factors such as the economy and central bank fiat currency printing.

From my point of view these are great days, performance is stellar, driver issues are largely behind us (haven't used AMD for a while so I don't know what that's like), graphics cards can last years rather than 6 months or so like in the early noughties, the 1000 series are still good cards right now for example, and people are still rocking Sandy Bridge CPU's. Things tend to just work when plugged in so we can get on with gaming.

Not really ,as I don't see the attitude you have about,"having" to spend £1000s on GPUs,etc especially amongst older gamers. YMMV. Don't make a generalisation for all older generation gamers,as I am one of them,and I have mates who have been PC gaming for decades. I still remember,using BBC Micros,and when colour monitors,and "hard drives" were a big deal.

In fact that generation of gamer,are the least likely I know to care about shiny graphics or 10000fps,or 8k,etc. They care mostly about gameplay,etc. The only people I know who remotely care about those things are much newer entrants,who seem more obssessed about graphics on tarted up console ports.

I know people on six figures salaries,who won't buy anything over a 70/80 series Nvidia GPU. Almost the entirely of us,grew up knowing how it was like back in the 1980s,and how the competition brought down prices and made things more affordable. So in the end don't seem to need or want to spend £1000s on making a game nicer. I spend more on my photo gear FFS.

From my experience,pricing has increase due to easy credit,and younger people wiling to spend a huge amount of disposable income on buying PCs,as they have no families and no commitments. Once you have more money,I found as you get older,there are other things you end up spending disposable income on anyway.

Remember this forum,attracts only a niche of gamers,who actually like talking about hardware. The hardware is a hobby in itself. This means on average they have far better hardware than normal because they like hardware.Most gamers wouldn't care about it,because hardware is bore inducing.

Also looking at gaming revenue - 75% is consoles/mobile. Of the remaining 25% on PC a large amount is MMOs and twitch shooters.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Any real news on power consumption? Dont really want to be upgrading my PSU but im moving cases soon so that would be a good time to do it, IF i need too.

Currently have a Evga 650W Gold2

I dunno why people that built a previous gen rig underspecced them so badly?

I built my system in 2013 and it has a PSU I upgraded through RMA (about 3 months later) so that make it about 6 years old. Its an 850w seasonic, components for years now are (or were) better for power efficiency so if anything what you got years back should be good when it comes to upgrading. Not so if you purchased just enough wattage for the system in the first place.

Anyway, if it makes you feel better when I got the vega on the box it says "minimum 750w PSU" which is cobblers as you can manage the power and it only pulls 330w @ stock so as long as the PSU is quality make your unlikely to need a new PSU.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

a £1000+ GPU needs to be a £1000 worth of GPU not a £500 one marked up to £1000 with some ludicrous margin "cos of reasons"

 

[danlightbulb]

My MSI RX480 8Gb GPU was £225 in September 2016. It scores around 8500 points in passmark.

If I wanted double performance today, 4 years later, I would expect technology to have moved on sufficiently that it costs the same amount of money.

To get 16-17000 points in passmark today I need to buy either a 5700XT (£380),or a 2060 super (£400). Both of those cards only still have 8Gb ram, same as 4 years ago.

In the new series cards, being about 2-3 generations newer than my RX480, means I'd be looking for triple current performance (24,000 points in passmark), and because I expect technology to continue moving forward, I want this for £300.

I dunno why people that built a previous gen rig underspecced them so badly?

I built my system in 2013 and it has a PSU I upgraded through RMA (about 3 months later) so that make it about 6 years old. Its an 850w seasonic, components for years now are (or were) better for power efficiency so if anything what you got years back should be good when it comes to upgrading. Not so if you purchased just enough wattage for the system in the first place.

When I built my system 4 years ago following advice on here (I'd never built my own system before), I was advised to get a 550W PSU and that it would be enough. So that's what I did.

 

[Mensy]

I dunno why people that built a previous gen rig underspecced them so badly?

I built my system in 2013 and it has a PSU I upgraded through RMA (about 3 months later) so that make it about 6 years old. Its an 850w seasonic, components for years now are (or were) better for power efficiency so if anything what you got years back should be good when it comes to upgrading. Not so if you purchased just enough wattage for the system in the first place.

Anyway, if it makes you feel better when I got the vega on the box it says "minimum 750w PSU" which is cobblers as you can manage the power and it only pulls 330w @ stock so as long as the PSU is quality make your unlikely to need a new PSU.

When i built my pc years ago i had a budget in mind and my 650w modular powersupply fitted into that budget. i wouldnt have a issue with it in the current series so i shouldnt really have a issue with next gens but there obviously changing things now

 

[gpuerrilla]

When I built my system 4 years ago following advice on here (I'd never built my own system before), I was advised to get a 550W PSU and that it would be enough. So that's what I did.

Sorry, bad advice.

When i built my pc years ago i had a budget in mind and my 650w modular powersupply fitted into that budget. i wouldnt have a issue with it in the current series so i shouldnt really have a issue with next gens but there obviously changing things now

You should be ok, depends if you get the top tier and they disclose the wattage - best hope its nowhere near 400W.

 

[Marak]

Not really ,as I don't see the attitude you have about,"having" to spend £1000s on GPUs,etc especially amongst older gamers. Don't make a generalisation for all older generation gamers,as I am one of them,and I have mates who have been PC gaming for decades. I still remember,using BBC Micros,and when colour monitors,and "hard drives" were a big deal.

Remember this forum,attracts only a niche of gamers,who actually like talking about hardware. This means on average they have far better hardware than normal.Most gamers wouldn't care about it.

Not sure why you are sounding so offended, the only generalisation I have made is that our generation has significant disposable income available to us which we didn't before. That is clearly the case and has a bearing on prices, even if you personally can't/don't want to spend that money yourself there will be a big chunk of our generation that can/will. That demographic with that amount of disposable income was never there before in the industry and is having an effect whether anyone here likes it or not.

And what's this nonsense? "the attitude you have about,"having" to spend £1000s on GPUs" - I never said that nor do I believe it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not sure why you are sounding so offended, the only generalisation I have made is that our generation has significant disposable income available to us which we didn't before. That is clearly the case and has a bearing on prices, even if you personally can't/don't want to spend that money yourself there will be a big chunk of our generation that can/will. That demographic with that amount of disposable income was never there before in the industry and is having an effect whether anyone here likes it or not.

And what's this nonsense? "the attitude you have about,"having" to spend £1000s on GPUs" - I never said that nor do I believe it.

The problem is you saying a "big chunk of our generation". I don't see that amongst almost the entirety of "older gamers" I know- that includes mates,mates of mates,etc. You are reading way too much into PC enthusiast forums.

If anything many of that generation from my personal experience,has moved on from maximum graphics,maximum FPS mantras,as I see so many simply don't have time for spending dozens of hours in front of a PC gaming. I see more and more of them,ditching desktops and getting gaming laptops....even those I have met at LANs.Again my experience. YMMV.

Many more getting consoles,because they can sit in front of the TV and play with family members. The older people I know who do have decent rigs,are not buying them for gaming,but for other kinds of things,which are semi-work related(programmers for example). It's not because they can't but because,there are other things to spend money on,especially if people are already spending half their lives in front of a computer screen. Like I said YMMV.

You are making the assumption of this forum being the case - most of the people I know who spend lots on hardware seem,to be younger gamers(outside maybe this forum).

 

[kazuya1337]

Not sure why you are sounding so offended, the only generalisation I have made is that our generation has significant disposable income available to us which we didn't before. That is clearly the case and has a bearing on prices, even if you personally can't/don't want to spend that money yourself there will be a big chunk of our generation that can/will. That demographic with that amount of disposable income was never there before in the industry and is having an effect whether anyone here likes it or not.

And what's this nonsense? "the attitude you have about,"having" to spend £1000s on GPUs" - I never said that nor do I believe it.

Thinking younger generations have more disposable income is pretty delusional often held by the out of step middle classes , it's because we live in a economy which is built on debt, it doesn't matter if people can afford it they can get it on credit. This why the fact we are heading in to the biggest global recession we have ever seen it will have no impact on prices.

 

[TNA]

My MSI RX480 8Gb GPU was £225 in September 2016. It scores around 8500 points in passmark.

If I wanted double performance today, 4 years later, I would expect technology to have moved on sufficiently that it costs the same amount of money.

To get 16-17000 points in passmark today I need to buy either a 5700XT (£380),or a 2060 super (£400). Both of those cards only still have 8Gb ram, same as 4 years ago.

In the new series cards, being about 2-3 generations newer than my RX480, means I'd be looking for triple current performance (24,000 points in passmark), and because I expect technology to continue moving forward, I want this for £300.

That is why it irks me a little that people say the 3070 will have only 8gb and cost $700. It’s like gtfo with that ****. Makes no sense.

 

[TNA]

Double post again. Delboy.

 

[Jacky60]

Good point. I was thinking that myself just today. What next gen games are out/coming that will warrant the need for such power.

You got one in Cyberpunk but that's it.

Nah, MSFS2020 too defo.

 

[Illuminist]

Nah, MSFS2020 too defo.

Dying light 2,but unfortunately not vampire bloodlines 2 anymore this year

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Dying light 2,but unfortunately not vampire bloodlines 2 anymore this year

VtM2 has been delayed??

 

[FoxEye]

The problem is you saying a "big chunk of our generation". I don't see that amongst almost the entirety of "older gamers" I know- that includes mates,mates of mates,etc. You are reading way too much into PC enthusiast forums.

If anything many of that generation from my personal experience,has moved on from maximum graphics,maximum FPS mantras,as I see so many simply don't have time for spending dozens of hours in front of a PC gaming. I see more and more of them,ditching desktops and getting gaming laptops....even those I have met at LANs.

Many more getting consoles,because they can sit in front of the TV and play with family members. The older people I know who do have decent rigs,are not buying them for gaming,but for other kinds of things,which are semi-work related(programmers for example). It's not because they can't but because,there are other things to spend money on,especially if people are already spending half their lives in front of a computer screen. Like I said YMMV.

You are making the assumption of this forum being the case - most of the people I know who spend lots on hardware seem,to be younger gamers(outside maybe this forum).

I could afford any of them if I wished (people who know me sometimes ask why I don't spend more on myself). Most of that stems from not having kids, btw, rather than earning a fortune

As a child of the 80s, I've been gaming since the C64 and Atari 2600.

I wouldn't dream of spending more than £300 on a GPU (or a CPU for that matter). Why? When I look at today's market, I don't see value for money. I see corporate greed.

And I refuse to be a part of that. A part of enabling that to continue.