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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

The issue is just how good will the 3070 be... if the rumours are true (2080 Ti performance hopefully around £500) do we NEED more performance than that? I think 90% of us would agree and say that's enough... however I'm just looking back at previous X80 cards vs previous gen Ti cards it looks like the 3080 could be the best jump in recent history... let's start with Kepler... I won't be including clock speeds but rather pure specs of each GPU. Also my performance figures are at launch and not after a year where drivers have matured and there's new games etc..

GTX 780 Ti - 2880 cuda cores 7.1 billion transistors, 48 Rops 336gb/s bandwidth

GTX 980 - 2048 cuda cores 5.2 billion transistors 64 Rops 224gb/s bandwidth. 10% faster on average on release with 40% less cuda cores 36% less transistors 33% more Rops 50% less bandwidth.

GTX 980 Ti - 2816 cuda cores 8 billion transistors 96 Rops 336gb/s bandwidth.

GTX 1080 - 2560 cuda cores, 7.2 billion transistors 64 Rops 320gb/s bandwidth - 30% faster with 11% less cuda cores 11% less transistors 50% less Rops 5% less bandwidth.

GTX 1080 Ti - 3584 cuda cores, 12 billion transistors, 88 Rops, 484gb/s bandwidth.

RTX 2080 - 2944 cuda cores 13.6 billion transistors, 64 Rops 448gb/s bandwidth. Roughly 5% faster with 21% less cuda cores 13% more transistors 37% less Rops 8% less bandwidth.

RTX 2080 Ti - 4352 cuda cores 18.6 Billion transistors, 88 Rops 616gb/s bandwidth.

RTX 3080 - 4352 cuda cores *34.5 billion transistors* #number of rops? *760gb/s bandwidth* same amount of cuda cores, 85% more transistors, 23% more bandwidth.

What to take away from this? Previous X80 cards exceeded the performance of the previous gen Ti cards with much less resources whereas this time the 3080 exceeds the 2080 Ti everywhere other than drawing equal on the cuda cores and we don't know how many Rops it has... therefor I'm confident and I will be shocked if this card doesn't have a 35% performance uplift over the 2080 Ti...

I was bored and wanted to kill some time :p
You're assuming Transistors = Shaders, it doesn't, the answer is in your own text.

2080TI: 4352 Shaders
3080: 4352 Shaders

The extra transistors are probably Tensor Cores and RT Cores.

The 3080 has 19Gb/s memory, vs 14Gb/s on the 2080TI, that's where the extra performance will come from, but not +35%, that's fantasy, probably around +15%.
 
You're assuming Transistors = Shaders, it doesn't, the answer is in your own text.

2080TI: 4352 Shaders
3080: 4352 Shaders

The extra transistors are probably Tensor Cores and RT Cores.

The 3080 has 19Gb/s memory, vs 14Gb/s on the 2080TI, that's where the extra performance will come from, but not +35%, that's fantasy, probably around +15%.

Oh... i almost forgot, the 3080 is the same die as the 3090, which has 5248 shaders, the 3080 and the 3090 have the same number of transistors its just that the 3080 has had some CU's disabled, the 3090 has 25% more shaders.

More over rumour is both use GA102, which in full fat Quadro version has 7552 Shaders, so this is where your missing transistors are. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ga102.g930 look at the bottom to see which GPU's use the GA102 die.

"Speculation" but you see the point, one die can have multiple uses.
 
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1, do I think Nvidia have done the absolute minimum to show some sort of 'improvement'? Of course.. we've been stuck on 8GB now since mid 2016, 4 1/2 years later we've only got a 2gb bump... this should definitely be a 12gb card minimum...
Correct.

3, if the price reflects the fact its got 10gb and it offers a solid performance increase over the 2080 Ti I'd be happy... what I won't be happy with is if Nvidia try to release it at £800 ideally I want the 3080 to cost no more than £675 (optimistic I know!) And I'll be happy.

The former of this statement would be OK however I feel its not going to be at the price the 10 series were at. So you wont be happy. :(
 
Correct.

The former of this statement would be OK however I feel its not going to be at the price the 10 series were at. So you wont be happy. :(

Kinda funny thinking about the 10 series now. Remember how the 1080ti was said to be a tad too expensive? now it looks like charity compared to what we are given now.
 
Kinda funny thinking about the 10 series now. Remember how the 1080ti was said to be a tad too expensive? now it looks like charity compared to what we are given now.

Yeah exactly my recollection. The 1080ti WAS expensive (too costly for me personally, I generally never run a cutting edge rig), but the embarrassing state we are in is the 1080ti turned into a brute of a good buy, only because the cards lifted up a notch in price for Turing and unless you found the RTX element refreshing, they were a damp squib IMO. Check the list above, the 2080 offered 5% improvement.
 
There seem to be a lot of complaints about the - as yet unconfirmed - 3080 having "only" 10GB video ram.

But I've read no end of threads on these forums calling the *080 line of nvidia's GPU's "mid-range" for a long time now. Why would you expect a "mid-range" card like the 3080 to be fully capable of working at ultra quality settings on every new game coming out in the next few years at 4k resolution?

Not to mention that 4k resolution is at only 2.23% of the gaming playerbase according to the latest Steam Survey results, and even 1440p is only 6.45%.

I don't think the '080 line are mid-range, they are clearly high-end, and targeted at the 1440p high refresh market where 10GB will be ample for a long long time.
 
8GB on a card that fast is not enough, 8GB on a 2080 is barely enough....

For £800 put 16GB on it Nvidia, same goes for you AMD you two are tighter than a duck's arse.....
 
The *080 has never been a mid range card ever IMO. FFS lol.

I agree, but I've heard that argument being put forward multiple times on these forums in the past so my comment was a little tongue in cheek.

The point still stands though, for 1440p high refresh gaming 10GB is ample. If you want 4k (like me) then we may have to wait to see what Big Navi brings, or if the OEM's are able to produce higher ram cards.
 
8gb to run all these new DX12 features and RT, DLSS etc, forget it.

By not putting more than 8gb on the card NVidia are admitting in advance that it will not run the above that well.

It is a bit like the 2060 with Ray Tracing, it has it but don't get excited by the end result.
 
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