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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

I'm not sure what to think on this.

One the one hand, we're seeing good performance improvement versus previous generation, like we used to get. The prices on the 3070/3080 look reasonable when compared to what the previous gen has been marketed at.
One the other hand, if you ignore what's happened to prices in the past couple of years the value proposition is much less appealing. The 3080 looks 'best value' but at £650 it is actually still very expensive by traditional standards. No cheaper than the 1080ti monster was at launch and doesn't compare well to yesteryear. 3070 looks like a 'cheap 2080ti/2080s' but those cards are arguably overpriced.

Maybe I'm just stuck in my ways but I can't bring myself to consider these sort of prices. I've been buying cards since the 90s and the most I've ever spent was £270 on a secondhand 1070ti two years ago [wow, didn't realise it was that long until I checked my mails!]. And that's included some decent stuff along the way, GTX280 for example was at the time the top Nvidia card but still came in under £250 brand new. I think 3080 would be a really nice upgrade (more of an upgrade than some of the other switches I've done) however I just feel like I would excitedly run a few benchmarks, crank up some settings and then a week later be sat there thinking "I've just spent £650 for what, a bit better performance when I don't even play modern games that often anyway".

GTX280 was when the pound was strong, literally the peak before the crash and reams of quantitative easing devalued the pound to its current lows. Even normalised for inflation you still have a point, but it's not quite as clear cut. GTX480 replaced it and was £350-400 IIRC.
 
So much rose tinting going on.1080Ti after being out for ages got as low as £620 if I recall correctly for a Zotac model.
The others were £700+.

I know we need benchies but the 3080 is a mental beast, over eight thousand cuda cores, 30Tflop performance. £650? Shut up and take my money!

Moore's law is nearing death, easy gains aren't there anymore. Lots more r&d is needed to take things more slowly forward. Factor in inflation and we gotta pay to play.
 
At least it was faster and the fastest card has never been value for money.

2070 and 2080 were worse. Even the super variants weren't that much better.

I bet if Nvidia weren't so focused on RTX last gen, they could have had these FP+FP shaders back then utilising the die space better.
I don't see how the 2070 or 2080 were worse and the 2070s was a decent buy. The overnight cut in value of a 2080ti is unprecedented.
 
I don't see how the 2070 or 2080 were worse and the 2070s was a decent buy. The overnight cut in value of a 2080ti is unprecedented.

2070 and 2080 were beaten by the older gen for less money. You can't get worse than that.

Only reason you saw them as good value is because Nvidia stopped making the 1080 ti.

The 2080 ti had no competition. You want that performance then you pay up.
 
GTX280 was when the pound was strong, literally the peak before the crash and reams of quantitative easing devalued the pound to its current lows. Even normalised for inflation you still have a point, but it's not quite as clear cut. GTX480 replaced it and was £350-400 IIRC.

The HD4870 also did cause the GTX200 series prices to crash too.
 
GTX280 was when the pound was strong, literally the peak before the crash and reams of quantitative easing devalued the pound to its current lows. Even normalised for inflation you still have a point, but it's not quite as clear cut. GTX480 replaced it and was £350-400 IIRC.
I think I paid like 480 for my 8800ultra in 2007
 
I'm not sure what to think on this.

One the one hand, we're seeing good performance improvement versus previous generation, like we used to get. The prices on the 3070/3080 look reasonable when compared to what the previous gen has been marketed at.
One the other hand, if you ignore what's happened to prices in the past couple of years the value proposition is much less appealing. The 3080 looks 'best value' but at £650 it is actually still very expensive by traditional standards. No cheaper than the 1080ti monster was at launch and doesn't compare well to yesteryear. 3070 looks like a 'cheap 2080ti/2080s' but those cards are arguably overpriced.

Maybe I'm just stuck in my ways but I can't bring myself to consider these sort of prices. I've been buying cards since the 90s and the most I've ever spent was £270 on a secondhand 1070ti two years ago [wow, didn't realise it was that long until I checked my mails!]. And that's included some decent stuff along the way, GTX280 for example was at the time the top Nvidia card but still came in under £250 brand new. I think 3080 would be a really nice upgrade (more of an upgrade than some of the other switches I've done) however I just feel like I would excitedly run a few benchmarks, crank up some settings and then a week later be sat there thinking "I've just spent £650 for what, a bit better performance when I don't even play modern games that often anyway".

The 3060 and/or 3060Ti/Super (whatever it'll be called) might be worth checking out when it arrives. Should still be a good chunk faster than a 1070Ti.
 
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we gotta pay to play.

Half the forum was saying this before Ampere launched while the rest of us were saying that Turing was an anomaly, and normal generational progress would have put the 20809ti's performance at the $700 price point. Now here we are. The $700 price point is now faster than it has ever been by sizable margin....I would argue two generations of progress have occurred at the $500 and $700 price point since Pascal.

If the benchmarks hold up, this is what generational progress looks like.
 
I'm really starting to have doubts that the 10GB on the 3080 won't be enough in a couple of years.

I tend to keep cards I buy new for at least two-three years, I'm into my fourth year with my 1070.

I think I'll hold out until the beginning of next year and see what's around then.
 
in the 3000 series spec lists it says "requires internet connection" Is this just for DLSS and driver updates? presumably this thing is capable of working off-line?
 
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I'm really starting to have doubts that the 10GB on the 3080 won't be enough in a couple of years.

I tend to keep cards I buy new for at least two-three years, I'm into my fourth year with my 1070.

I think I'll hold out until the beginning of next year and see what's around then.
My main concern is pricing for the higher vram models, 20gb 3080 could go for £900.

Although saying that if AMD matches or beats their price/performance with more vram I can see the 20gb at 749 and the 10gb dropping to 599
 
I seriously doubt AMD have anything to touch Nvidia, I hear it every launch but it is a case of "ahh well next time with RDNA X"

They may have something to compete with a 3070 (basically 2 year old performance = 2080Ti).
 
I seriously doubt AMD have anything to touch Nvidia, I hear it every launch but it is a case of "ahh well next time with RDNA X"

They may have something to compete with a 3070 (basically 2 year old performance = 2080Ti).

If AMD produce something that can compete with the NVidia mid and low range cards that is more than 95% of the market.

Most popular selling card on these forums at the moment seems to be the 5700XT, if AMD can do even better next time round it could be interesting.
 
Yea but I think he meant the 3080. :)

We already know that the next gen of AMD cards are going to be very competitive, NVidia have more or less told us that by the extremes they have gone to with the 3090.

The 3090 is way too big (3 slots) uses 350W, huge Die and expensive cooler, if the next gen AMD cards were not going to be competitive NVidia would not have gone to all the trouble they have and just produced something slower and still charged a fortune for it like they did with the 2080 Ti.
 
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