NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[JohnG7]

I think that is wishful thinking and a little over optimistic, I feel Nvidia did this to get people to PC gaming and not the new MS+Sony consoles.

A few reviewers on YT said so and one or two peeps on reddit who now want to build their first PC after seeing the console specs vs Nvidia 3000 series specs.

The 3090 is not primarily aimed at gamers but you will still buy one or two correct?

I do not have an issue with 3 slots, many aftermarket cards for years now take up internally 2.5/3slots.

 

[Richdog]

Morning guys, there has been a big Q&A on Reddit with Nvidia that answers some pretty big questions... https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ilhao8/nvidia_rtx_30series_you_asked_we_answered/

Some highlights (taken from Reddit):

• 10GB was deemed enough VRAM for 4K gaming use, and adding more would just make the cost-efficiency for gaming worse.
  
  
• The "3070 is faster than a 2080ti" claim includes pure rasterization workloads, it is not dependent on RTX or DLSS
  
  
• It supports 48Gbps over HDMI 2.1
  
  
• The doubled CUDA core counts are indeed due to 2x FP32
  
  
• AV1 support is decode only, and in fact the NVENC hardware is the same as Turing
  
  
• Nvidia doesn't expect using these cards on PCIe 3.0 to be a big issue

What that says to me is that if Nvidia use the words "10GB was deemed enough for cost-efficiency reasons" then (as many of us suspected) they did knowingly compromise on the VRAM amount. That sentence with the word "deemed" tells me all I need to know, as it is a word is very often used when someone is uncertain/hesitant and wants to justify something in a more roundabout and less definite way while still staying formal and giving a direct answer. The people earlier in the thread who were saying that "VRAM will not be a problem and no-one knows better than Nvidia" are wrong. Nvidia know they compromised and we will undoubtedly see higher VRAM amounts as GDDR6X gets cheaper.

The 3070 also looks like a great purchase and beats a 2080Ti in every respect, further bombing the value of a used 2080 Ti.

 

[scubes]

I’m I wrong to say we are gonna get 4K 120fps with a 3090 so much for the new consoles doing that after all the talk it if .

 

[Richdog]

I’m I wrong to say we are gonna get 4K 120fps with a 3090 so much for the new consoles doing that after all the talk it if .

Can you please translate that into legible English?

 

[Greebo]

The 2080Ti will go down in history as relative lemon.

£1200, barely 30% faster than a 1080Ti and then beaten by a sub-£500 card only two years later.
And yet people are asking for over £500-£600 or more on Ebay for a 2080Ti.

They aint worth no more than £400 tops.

I agree they are on,y worth £400 second hand now but they are only beaten by a sub £500 card with Rtx on and running DLSS. I reckon with them off the 2080ti is still 10% to 20% faster than the 3070. Wait for the reviews.

 

[GordyR]

I'm reading conflicting reports on what output ports the 3000 series is expected to have.

Some sites are claiming 3x DisplayPort 1.4 and 1x HDMI 2.1, whereas other sites are claiming the opposite; 3x HDMI 2.1 and only 1 DisplayPort.

If so this is an issue for me as I use a Dell UP3218K as my main monitor, which requires two DisplayPort cables in order to reach 7,680 by 4,320 60hz.

Does anyone have any ideas as to which is the most likely, and are we likely to see a difference in output ports between the various manufactures; with perhaps a high likelihood of at least one supporting multiple DisplayPorts?

 

[ProStreet]

I agree they are on,y worth £400 second hand now but they are only beaten by a sub £500 card with Rtx on and running DLSS. I reckon with them off the 2080ti is still 10% to 20% faster than the 3070. Wait for the reviews.

Read the Nvidia Reddit response on the previous page.
It is both with and without rtx on.

 

[Richdog]

I'm reading conflicting reports on what output ports the 3000 series is expected to have.

Some sites are claiming 3x DisplayPort 1.4 and 1x HDMI 2.1, whereas other sites are claiming the opposite; 3x HDMI 2.1 and only 1x DisplayPort.

If so this is an issue for me as I use a Dell UP3218K, which requires two DisplayPort cables in order to reach 7,680 by 4,320 60hz.

Does anyone have any ideas as to which is the most likely, and are we likely to see a difference in output ports between the various manufactures, with a high likelyhood of at least one support multiple DisplayPorts?

How can you be "reading conflicting reports" when Nvidia clearly showed and described what ports they have in the reveal video? Just watch it and read the official baseline specs on the sites.

 

[Greebo]

I don't see how the 2070 or 2080 were worse and the 2070s was a decent buy. The overnight cut in value of a 2080ti is unprecedented.

they were actually slower than the cards they were replacing and cost the same or more money. That’s worse imo

 

[SaBBz]

I'm reading conflicting reports on what output ports the 3000 series is expected to have.

Some sites are claiming 3x DisplayPort 1.4 and 1x HDMI 2.1, whereas other sites are claiming the opposite; 3x HDMI 2.1 and only 1 DisplayPort.

If so this is an issue for me as I use a Dell UP3218K as my main monitor, which requires two DisplayPort cables in order to reach 7,680 by 4,320 60hz.

Does anyone have any ideas as to which is the most likely, and are we likely to see a difference in output ports between the various manufactures; with perhaps a high likelihood of at least one supporting multiple DisplayPorts?

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/nvidia-rtx-30-series-3090-3080-3070-now-online-at-ocuk.18897450/

If you go to the product pages for those cards it shows you the connectivity for each.

 

[Greebo]

I seriously doubt AMD have anything to touch Nvidia, I hear it every launch but it is a case of "ahh well next time with RDNA X"

They may have something to compete with a 3070 (basically 2 year old performance = 2080Ti).

the same guy who 100% got all the leaks right on this NVIDIA launch has said the big navi is up there competing with the 3090. So slower than NVIDIA still but clearly faster than a 3080. So it will all come down to price.

 

[Greebo]

I'm reading conflicting reports on what output ports the 3000 series is expected to have.

Some sites are claiming 3x DisplayPort 1.4 and 1x HDMI 2.1, whereas other sites are claiming the opposite; 3x HDMI 2.1 and only 1 DisplayPort.

If so this is an issue for me as I use a Dell UP3218K as my main monitor, which requires two DisplayPort cables in order to reach 7,680 by 4,320 60hz.

Does anyone have any ideas as to which is the most likely, and are we likely to see a difference in output ports between the various manufactures; with perhaps a high likelihood of at least one supporting multiple DisplayPorts?

every sin card I have seen so far has gone with 3 x DisplayPort 1.4a and 1 x HDMI 2.1. Other variations may come later but that seems to be the norm

 

[IvanDobskey]

I expect 8/10gb of vram to be enough for the next couple of years, but after that I can see it struggling. So I guess it depends how long you keep your cards. I tend to keep them 3 or 4 years, so I am more than a little worried.

They've been deliberately thrifty with the vram so they can sell more cards in two years time if you ask me.

 

[Richdog]

the same guy who 100% got all the leaks right on this NVIDIA launch has said the big navi is up there competing with the 3090. So slower than NVIDIA still but clearly faster than a 3080. So it will all come down to price.

Big Navi will compete with the 3090... can you provide a link to the source please? I googled and didn't find anything and neither have I seen this rumour on sites I've read.

 

[dreigns]

the same guy who 100% got all the leaks right on this NVIDIA launch has said the big navi is up there competing with the 3090. So slower than NVIDIA still but clearly faster than a 3080. So it will all come down to price.

So who is this person, the only people I seen posting leaks over the months have been all over place mostly wrong until a week or two before

 

[Greebo]

Read the Nvidia Reddit response on the previous page.
It is both with and without rtx on.

you know what, I don’t believe them. Well I am sure there will be some games with where even on just rasterisation basis the 3070 beats the 2080ti but it’s not like NVIDIA to understate things on their graphs.

on the charts they put up on the launch it shows the 2070 was less than 1% faster than a 2080ti averaged on all the games they tested using DLSS and RTX if the game supported them.

the 3070 is clearly going to beat the 2080ti with Rtx and DLSS on and if it beats the 2080ti is some other games with both off, I order for the average to be just 1% faster it must lose to the 2080ti in a lot of games by quite a big margin as well.

unless NVIDIA put the point on the chart in the wrong place but I can’t see it.

 

[Greebo]

So who are these people because all the person, the only people I seen posting leaks over the months have been all over place mostly wrong until a week or two before

I will find the guys twitter feed but it has been posted on here. He might be wrong but if he’s right, we will see a 3080ti before Xmas.

 

[dreigns]

you know what, I don’t believe them. Well I am sure there will be some games with where even on just rasterisation basis the 3070 beats the 2080ti but it’s not like NVIDIA to understate things on their graphs.

on the charts they put up on the launch it shows the 2070 was less than 1% faster than a 2080ti averaged on all the games they tested using DLSS and RTX if the game supported them.

the 3070 is clearly going to beat the 2080ti with Rtx and DLSS on and if it beats the 2080ti is some other games with both off, I order for the average to be just 1% faster it must lose to the 2080ti in a lot of games by quite a big margin as well.

unless NVIDIA put the point on the chart in the wrong place but I can’t see it.

Well if the video from DF is right from BL3 which does not use RTX then there has been a large improvement but from what I think it might be only in DX12 or Vulcan games maybe they did some magic there, I bet any old DX11 wont see as much of a jump

I also bet AMD's next card is about around 2080ti levels

 

[Richdog]

I will find the guys twitter feed but it has been posted on here. He might be wrong but if he’s right, we will see a 3080ti before Xmas.

So you think we will see a 3080Ti that was not launched witjh the 3080 and 3090 and that has not thus far been part of any leaks that didn't link it to the 3090... before Christmas? Really?

 

[Greebo]

Big Navi will compete with the 3090... can you provide a link to the source please? I googled and didn't find anything and neither have I seen this rumour on sites I've read.

well for a month now the rumours have been fairly solid that the navi 21 will be 50% faster than a 2080ti which at least puts it on 3080 level not 3070 as some people have posted here.

So even if it was just that performance, if the price is less than the 3080 and the big navi comes with 16gb ram then it’s going to hurt the 10gb 3080 sales and force Nvidia to release a 20gb version 3080ti version.

The 3090 is only up to 20% faster than the 3080 so why is it so hard to accept that the big navi Might be somewhere between the two?

nvidia have gone to a lot of bother to make the monster 3090 with 24gb and it’s massive price tag and let its AIB do many versions out there