NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Rroff · 5 Sep 2020 at 03:05

Grim5 said:
Ive seen people wanting to buy a 3080/3090 and have a 4790k, I mean like what the ****

Some games aside that can benefit from extra cores the i7 4000 series CPUs aren't hideously far behind the latest and greatest stuff especially with a good overclock - and a lot of them will hit a good overclock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6RsDyMn2gY

At higher resolutions than 1080p a 4790K it is something like 18% slower than a 3900X on average in games and 15% slower overclocked v overclocked - obviously some exceptions where the 3900X pulls away due to extra cores.

Grim5 · 5 Sep 2020 at 03:25

Perfect_Chaos said:
That's a bit toasty, is that with the stock cooling?

That is with the founders edition card, also keep in mind this is Nvidias numbers and in reality they could get hotter because no everyone uses a nice open test bench in an air conditioned room

Perfect_Chaos · 5 Sep 2020 at 03:37

Grim5 said:
That is with the founders edition card, also keep in mind this is Nvidias numbers and in reality they could get hotter because no everyone uses a nice open test bench in an air conditioned room

Rather just get an AIB card, bound to cool better i would've thought, that's if i end up getting one anyway

muon · 5 Sep 2020 at 03:46

Grim5 said:
notice how the rtx3080 is priced "from $699"

haha wat chi the prices climb!

That's not what happened. FE cards were always $1199.

Some AIB cards were supposed to be $999.

The point is that 3090 is not 50% higher as so many would like to make it sound like, it is 25% higher. It's also a RTX Titan successor anyway.

Twinz · 5 Sep 2020 at 03:57

Perfect_Chaos said:
That's a bit toasty, is that with the stock cooling?

They were also bragging about how quiet it is. I'd like to see how hot it is at various noise levels. (Fan speeds)

Chuk_Chuk · 5 Sep 2020 at 06:56

Poneros said:

Am I missing something here or are these charts implying that the hotter the GPU gets the quieter the fans become?

Participant · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:02

Richdog said:
Could you not have bought a temporary solution from MM for a month like a cheap gtx 1070 or something?

I didn't post that, you've somehow swapped forum names in the quote.

Grim5 · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:02

Twinz said:
They were also bragging about how quiet it is. I'd like to see how hot it is at various noise levels. (Fan speeds)

the FE cards are using 110mm fans if I remember correctly so that's why it's quiet - larger diameter fans tend to make less noise at a given performance level due to needing less rpm to deliver the same or better airflow

my heavily overclocked 2080tI draws the same power as a stock 3080 and to make the card sit at 80c like Nvidias I have to cap the fan speed to not to over 2700rpm. So given that the 3080 is using bigger fans their rpm is probably even lower than 2700

smogsy · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:04

Chuk_Chuk said:
Am I missing something here or are these charts implying that the hotter the GPU gets the quieter the fans become?

its bit stupid but
its noise difference
read it from right to left at any one time the 3080 is 20db quieter

Richdog · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:10

rIcK said:
Maybe, my 2080Ti has custom air coolers on too. I just couldn’t be bothered with the hassle this time, I did it last time with my 1080 and 1080tis during the price fluctuations.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/forum...tx2080ti-raijintek-morpheus-air-mod.18857220/

In the end then I don't think my statement applies to you. If you made a conscious choice to take the financial hit then that's your right... it's more the people who said it was all somehow a surprise and that didn't want to lose money that I was referring to.

Participant said:
I didn't post that, you've somehow swapped forum names in the quote.

Sorry, the persistent save function drives me nuts sometimes! I'll change it later when I'm home. :{

tyler_jrb · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:27

Zeeflyboy said:
RTX IO leverages your SSD for enhanced load times and more efficient VRAM usage... it’s more or less what he said (not sure there’s any ddr component, but they describe it as a “suite” so potentially there are details to learn yet as to how it works in reality outside of a very high level overview we got).

And yes, it does appear to be their implementation of MS’ direct storage API... although conceptually closer to MS’ whole “velocity architecture” imo than just the direct storage API as it also features the hardware accelerated decompression which is an important factor in its potential usefulness. Overall it fits the “NVcache” rumour pretty well, albeit by a different name. So that’s the answer to your question of what happened to it.

Does that mean everyone has to have their games installed on NVMe SSD’s then to take advantage? Sounds good in premise but 99% of the pc market is still using hard drives or normal ssd’s as game storage so could take a while to fully catch on.

I mean to have all my games on an NVMe need a good few TB’s worth which won’t come cheap at all.

Seearbe · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:34

Perfect_Chaos said:
Shame the 3080 doesn't have a bit more VRAM to make people more comfortable with ordering it. Though it may not matter as much at 1440p and below ultra settings, really not sure but in any case it seems to be cutting it close even according to that ID software guy.. hmm

Haha. Who buys a flagship GPU on the basis it won't run ultra?

Calin Banc · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:40

Poneros said:

Thing is, rtx2080 is a 215W card, not a 320W, in which case I doubt the new card is 10dBA quieter and 20*C cooler when you comparing like for like.
But at least 3080 will heat up the room nicely during winter.

Kaapstad · 5 Sep 2020 at 07:56

tyler_jrb said:
Does that mean everyone has to have their games installed on NVMe SSD’s then to take advantage? Sounds good in premise but 99% of the pc market is still using hard drives or normal ssd’s as game storage so could take a while to fully catch on.

I mean to have all my games on an NVMe need a good few TB’s worth which won’t come cheap at all.

How difficult is it to install a NVMe SSD, are they just plug and play?

K1LaW8tt5 · 5 Sep 2020 at 08:14

tyler_jrb said:
Does that mean everyone has to have their games installed on NVMe SSD’s then to take advantage? Sounds good in premise but 99% of the pc market is still using hard drives or normal ssd’s as game storage so could take a while to fully catch on.

I mean to have all my games on an NVMe need a good few TB’s worth which won’t come cheap at all.

~£100 1TB

pooley · 5 Sep 2020 at 08:17

Kaapstad said:
How difficult is it to install a NVMe SSD, are they just plug and play?

the 'difficulty' he is referring to is the £££ of these NVMe's

Zeeflyboy · 5 Sep 2020 at 08:20

tyler_jrb said:
Does that mean everyone has to have their games installed on NVMe SSD’s then to take advantage? Sounds good in premise but 99% of the pc market is still using hard drives or normal ssd’s as game storage so could take a while to fully catch on.

I mean to have all my games on an NVMe need a good few TB’s worth which won’t come cheap at all.

Well I mean even directML, the API it leverages, isn’t going to be available as a developer preview until next year... it’ll be a while before PC games start to use it.

Given both consoles have a similar idea though, I would bet that it does become more prevalent in PC games too over the coming generation life cycle. AMD is almost certainly going to be implementing direct storage APIs too. I guess you’ll still just have the option to use it or not... not using it when available will just result in longer load times and potentially increased pop in, not necessarily an unplayable game.

TNA · 5 Sep 2020 at 08:25

pooley said:
the 'difficulty' he is referring to is the £££ of these NVMe's

I still don’t get why people feel the need to install their whole steam library. Just install what you are playing. 1tb should be plenty for that for most surely?

m4rmite · 5 Sep 2020 at 08:27

tyler_jrb said:
Does that mean everyone has to have their games installed on NVMe SSD’s then to take advantage? Sounds good in premise but 99% of the pc market is still using hard drives or normal ssd’s as game storage so could take a while to fully catch on.

I mean to have all my games on an NVMe need a good few TB’s worth which won’t come cheap at all.

I bought a 2tb sabrent pcie3 last xmas in the sales.
I didn't buy the pcie4 as not got the mobo etc to match and a few % won't hurt me.
It seems they've gone up in price quite a bit since then :eek:

Well worth it and a doddle to install, 1 screw.

K1LaW8tt5 · 5 Sep 2020 at 08:29

Chuk_Chuk said:
Am I missing something here or are these charts implying that the hotter the GPU gets the quieter the fans become?

You are looking at it wrong. It's hot at a low fan speed (low noise) as you increase the speed (noise) the temperature comes down.
It's done this way at a fixed load to compare coolers.(as best as possible without putting them on the same gpu)