I was aware of some issues back during the 2000 series launch, but I thought it was smooth sailing for the 3000 series, and regardless I just thought they'd have the 4000 series well-sorted by now.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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I was aware of some issues back during the 2000 series launch, but I thought it was smooth sailing for the 3000 series, and regardless I just thought they'd have the 4000 series well-sorted by now.
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3000 was buggy BIOS that presented various problems including not hitting advertised clock speed.
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Hope we get some news from AMD soon, I need a new PC and i've been so close to pulling the trigger on a new chip lately, the price gouging has stopped me luckily.
Me too. I’m holding off a new motherboard RAM and CPU waiting on news and a release date.
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The wait is painful, I've been waiting to pull the trigger on a new system, still running an FX 8350, somehow I've gone this long with it, and I want to do it justice with an upgrade to something cutting edge 
Oh yeah.... i member this one, this is the one where the 45 Watt 4800H beat Intel's 9900K.
Also, from the previous video i posted, this guy wins the Internet.
Even worse then. Ryzen 4000 mobile vs Intel is one of the biggest one-sided smackdowns Intel has received.
That is fairly nonsensical. The only issue was the boost clock. There aren’t systematic issues. Motherboard compatibility was due to AM4 retaining legacy support which AMD promised resulting in motherboard segmentation with the same chipset. But it was all fairly clear from the onset you need to flash new bios if you have 400 series boards or even 300 series and older boards will clearly have compatibility issues.
the boost clock is only missed at times by 25mhz or 50mhz. Which is nothing. Ppl making way too much fuss about it. Ryzen deafults were trying to eek out life span on CPU as opposed to aggressively clocking it.
additionally intel CPU don’t hit their advised boost clock either with stock settings. But no one complained.
the whole saga was a complete utter BS spun out by intel fans or intel themselves.
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I must have imagined that BIOS update that just wiped out sound card support like my Asus Xonar Essence STX..............
As I said that’s not systematic. That’s down to individual board manufacturers implementation. If someone at the board manufacturing is being a bit lazy with their coding how can you say that’s AMD’s fault.
no doubt the 4 amigos need to bring their A game to the table for ryzen 4000s. Intel has enjoyed fantastic relationship with board manufacturers, it would be nice to see the same level of cooperation with AMD products.
also some issues are not AMD solely. My intel based z97 board refused to see legacy USB peripherals in UEFI once booted into windows it was all fine. It was frustrating but a bug somewhere in their. It was not systemic across all the chipset and boards. I don’t even think it affected all of the boards of my brand or model. Maybe a certain batch. But it is one of those things.
That tide started turning with X570. A lot of the Gigabyte Z490 boards for example are built like tanks because they've drawn a lot of engineering from X570 and B550.
X570 is a pretty solid line up other than the MSI range from the initial launch. But definitely X570 looks solid. I only wished I went with x570 but I don’t have much space and really need matx board for smaller tower and ran out of patience for B550 board.
also in terms of 4000 launch. The board manufacturers really need to be bang on with their bios updates. Hopefully update the 500 and 400 series at the same time.
I am still debating if I want to dab into 4000 series chips as a heavily discounted 3900x would do me really well. But nevertheless for those with 400 series chips and holding to go upgrade insocket to 4000 CPU it would be unimaginably annoying if they are left hanging for 6 months.
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Surprised we still haven't heard anything about these.. Interested to see how good the new 8 core chip is compared to 3700x
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Oh, ok then if you say so...
Looks like someone needs to make their mind up?
Ah, now it makes sense
I've gotta say, X570 Bios was buggy as hell, I got it from launch but perhaps no more so than other new launchs but issues where present with only 1 or 2 vendors at the time keeping somewhat stable versions. Nevermind X470 and below.
I don't know any one with a 3000 series chip hitting advertised boost clocks even with custom overclocks, at least at safe voltages or daily driving, including myself, I may be worse off on the silicon lotto only managing 4.2GHz missing 200Mhz, but I know several 3700X users unable to get any more than 4.3GHz either. I know 1 person with a 3900X that is 50Mhz off their boost clock. All of this is from use of PBO and manual overclocking including some trying to get all cores which...yea ok lol. It's a relatively small sample set from myself and correlation may not always correspond to causation but the evidence is there in multiple forums, reddit, discord channels etc.... especially in regards to safe voltages for the 3000 series.
I'm not saying intel fans didnt stir up the pot and I'm not saying the 3000 series is bad or AMD is bad or evul etc... but it is not nonsensical at all, gotta argee with Dirk's response above. Despite all this I still plan on buying 4/5000 Series chips when they launch.
I have an original 3900X early chip in an X570 Taichi.
Does it run programs at 4.6? No.
It will hit 4.6 to 4.65 on the first 6 cores momentarily which is what AMD claim. Auto volts and not an all core overclock.
It did not do this originally or without adjustments in the bios.
Originally out of the box cinebench 20 multi was around 6900 (yea i was disappointed)
Now on auto volts and no all core overclock it does 7480.
My only dissapointment with it now is the second CCD will only clock to about 4.350 even manually.
Latest releases seem to have better balanced CCD's
Does it run programs at 4.6? No.
It will hit 4.6 to 4.65 on the first 6 cores momentarily which is what AMD claim. Auto volts and not an all core overclock.
It did not do this originally or without adjustments in the bios.
Originally out of the box cinebench 20 multi was around 6900 (yea i was disappointed)
Now on auto volts and no all core overclock it does 7480.
My only dissapointment with it now is the second CCD will only clock to about 4.350 even manually.
Latest releases seem to have better balanced CCD's
Ryzen 9 3900X normally scores around 7150 points in CBR20 MT:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-9-3900x-review,10.html
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_9_3900x-931
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