Or they chose their house wisely and within their means, possibly compromising elsewhere. I don’t “want” to live in the town I currently do, but in order to get what I wanted in budget, I compromised on location.
Ban on cars parking on pavements.
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As Kenai says, some people on the thread have been in support of banning all on-street parking, which is what I was referring to. Is an idea I've seen people support elsewhere too, although it's never been put forward by the department for transport, like the pavement parking ban has.
Banning pavement parking would obviously cause less disruption than banning all on street parking, but it would still be a huge change, and would still have enormous consequences for many people and many areas. There are large areas of housing where the streets are full as-is and banning any pavement parking would effectively halve available space, as there would only be room for cars on one side rather than both. It would also turn a lot more roads into single track affairs, as there are lots of roads which can only have traffic going in both directions at once because people part partially on the pavement.
Re double yellow lines down one side of the street I agree that would make sense if there isn't room for parking on both sides. However I don't see any reason to put double yellows down every residential street if there is room on both sides.
The only way this would work without significantly worsening the lives of basically everyone outside London who doesn't own a house with a large drive is if there were a massive national street redesign project to narrow and remove pavements. Maybe in the longer term that would be a good way to formalise where parking is acceptable or not, but in the short to medium term it would cost a huge amount of money and if you brought in the ban before finishing the street reconfiguration it would seriously impact many many people, for basically no benefit as far as I can tell.
Doesn't seem a problem here at all. Fair few disabled/elderly people in my street. They don't seem to have an issue. More people walk down the road than cars.
Also the nurses and other health care people and police fire service people all park the same so they don't see an issue either.
My point is maybe it is an issue in some places but it definitely isn't in all places. So a full van would be silly.
Our street would suite leveling off so road/pavement is the same thing.
Or they did the same as you, but other family’s living near by have all grown up and all drive now. Neighbours move and others move in who have X number of vehicles. So these are potential issues that you can’t always prepare for.
Of course you can't plan ahead for stupidity and inconsideration in the future, but that just means that of all the people on my road, I'm not contributing to the problem, I chose to get rid of some of my front lawn to change from a tandem driveway (of two cars) to one that now can fit five (we have three). I modified the drive BEFORE buying a third (and at one point fourth) car, I didn't buy one and then dump it on the pavement because "not my problem".
If everyone planned ahead this wouldn't be as widespread an issue, and for those who haven't planned ahead that's going to be their issue if/when an enforced step-change in parking comes into play. Do I care that it'll inconvenience the people down my street whom park all over the pavement with multiple cars? Not even the smallest of amounts.
Yes, because having adult kids living with you and getting a car or new neighbours moving in with the same number of cars as others is 'stupid and inconsiderate'
. And I'm not sure why you thing 'not my problem' is what people think when they find somewhere to park on-street. 'not my problem' seems to be what you are thinking with your 'I'm alright jack' attitude, without any consideration of what a practical or desirable future looks like for UK households in general.
I hate to say it, but you are basically the parody I had in my head of the type of person that would be in favour of this ban. You obviously strongly feel that on street parking is already wrong in some way (despite it being allowed and practised by millions for decades) and that people that do it deserve to be punished in some way. You have a particularly large property if you have space for five cars plus some of your front lawn remains.
A small minority of houses have as much space as yours does and they tend to cost quite a lot, as I'm sure you're aware. The UK housing stock (let alone the homeowners having to find huge amounts of money to move to a house with more land) simply could not support any large scale move to reduce on street parking in favour of driveways - only a small minority is able to do what you have done.
Perhaps people did 'plan ahead' and decided they would be fine, on the basis that partial pavement parking is generally accepted and allowed outside London, and there is no good reason for it to be banned. I can assure you that I did plan ahead with regards to parking on all of the houses I've rented / bought (including houses with 0, 1, and 2 spaces), and using on street parking was part of my consideration each time.
As it happens I currently have driveway space for both my car and my partner's car. If I'd have wanted space for visitors as well then I'd have had to compromise massively on basically every other aspect of the house. And why? So I could follow your made up rules that apparently everyone should be following already.
Firstly as I’ve already said, I’m not in favour of an outright ban on street parking, just in areas that either make it impossible for the emergency services or waste disposal vehicles to pass, or it involves making the pavement unusable.
Secondly, unless you are proposing to teleport your car onto the pavement, it’s also illegal outside of London to drive on the pavement.
Secondly, unless you are proposing to teleport your car onto the pavement, it’s also illegal outside of London to drive on the pavement.
That's quite different to what's being proposed though, and is actually already illegal so why is there a need for this new ban?
Indeed, but it is also generally accepted as not being an issue as long as people aren't actually driving 'down' the pavement. When you have rules that even liveried police cars on non-urgent business don't follow, and no one will even attempt to enforce even if done right in front of a police officer I don't think it's really worth much. The fact that it isn't illegal to be parked on the pavement shows how irrelevant that law actually is. Ideally it wouldn't be illegal, but there are all sorts of odd laws which should probably be changed but aren't a priority.
I wonder if a lot of the heat in this argument is really coming from different people picturing different things when they hear 'pavement parking'. I tend to think of the roads near me, where with a couple of exceptions (including one of my neighbours actually) parking on pavements makes a lot of sense and doesn't really cause any problems (in fact on a busyish nearby road it would be better if people parked further onto the wide pavement so two-way traffic isn't so tight). Maybe other people picture different locations where pavements are completely blocked all the time or the road/pavement layout means it would always cause problems and people are always getting blocked in or something.
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I can get behind more double yellow lines. At least down one side.
Yeah I could get behind that, it could bring some order to certain roads that are chaotic with parked cars on both sides of the road.
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So you think it is unacceptable to put two wheels on the pavement leaving plenty of room in the pavement for Prams and wheelchairs but allowing free passage of traffic particularly larger vehicles like fire engines? The trouble here is it is not black and white parking partly on the pavement doesn’t automatically block it plenty of places where it makes good sense!
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Park somewhere else where you don't park on the pavement or impede the flow of traffic?
Why though and how would that work? I have lived in areas where everyone living within a couple of square miles needed to park half on the pavement it was the norm and probably has been for 40+ years. The pavements were not blocked the roads were clear and everyone got parked. Where are you suggesting these multiple hundreds of cars go and for what benefit? Blanket bans are stupid this should be locally monitored and enforced Where needed.
Just for the record I no longer live in an area where I need to park partially on the pavement although I could happily get half my car on it without obstructing it if I needed to! I do park on the street but that is the downside of Victorian property I could spend 650k and stilL have to park on the street Locally!
People living in affluent areas with driveways for multiple cars telling people in poor areas were houses are all crammed together with little to no land that they should walk a couple of miles or shouldn't even have a car. Brilliant.
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There are numerous expensive houses without parking in affluent areas just as there are numerous cheaper houses with driveways in less affluent areas. Perhaps you could argue that people are not willing to live in a less 'affluent' area in order that they have space for their possessions because they can simply dump them on the public footpaths instead
I can guarantee you that I'm not in an "affluent" area. My house was well under the national average.
Parking permits needed ? they help control demand and avoid need for pavement parking leastaways many streets in Cambridge have them,
and a few without, with double parking, the pavement is too narrow for parking, and, if you had a 1.9/2m car it would get scraped,
I'm sure there must be an insurance hike bubble there(chesterton)
and a few without, with double parking, the pavement is too narrow for parking, and, if you had a 1.9/2m car it would get scraped,
I'm sure there must be an insurance hike bubble there(chesterton)
parking permits are a pain and no one wins. Just another stealth tax, and the extra private ticket company leeches crawling the streets looking for prey with absolutely zero mercy even for people who have the right to park there. No that is not the answer.