NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Richdog]

You actually took DF seriously on that? Within the first minute he says Nvidia chosen titles, leave the video.

Why leave the video after a minute? The performance information was still relevant and useful to an extent, considering how little there was at the time. Like all promos it just needs to be viewed and taken as containing heavy bias.

 

[JohnG7]

Here's the triple-slot GeForce RTX 3090 beast installed into a PC | TweakTown

 

[Adrian1976]

At this rate the way the benches are dropping by the day and now the results being delayed how conveniently a day before release I'm willing to bet it will now not be twice as fast as a 1080ti in which case I'm out.

I'm in no rush and when it's all boiled over the Rdna will be gaining steam and maybe Nvidia drops a 3080ti in which case I'm out.

After watching the release and Jensen with his comments about now it's a safe time for Pascal owners to upgrade tells you in that statement he knows they ****** up with 2080ti and by the sounds of this as well.

3 1/2 years since the1080ti, it really does make you wonder what's the future for Nvidia, I'll be watching this thread with interest but I'm not ordering a GPU again unless it's twice as fast, Well that's my logic anyway.

 

[Rroff]

At this rate the way the benches are dropping by the day and now the results being delayed how conveniently a day before release I'm willing to bet it will now not be twice as fast as a 1080ti in which case I'm out.

I'm in no rush and when it's all boiled over the Rdna will be gaining steam and maybe Nvidia drops a 3080ti in which case I'm out.

After watching the release and Jensen with his comments about now it's a safe time for Pascal owners to upgrade tells you in that statement he knows they ****** up with 2080ti and by the sounds of this as well.

3 1/2 years since the1080ti, it really does make you wonder what's the future for Nvidia, I'll be watching this thread with interest but I'm not ordering a GPU again unless it's twice as fast, Well that's my logic anyway.

Ultimately we are entering the last hurrah of these kind of architectures. nVidia have a lot of places to go from here - they are barely leveraging the 7nm node let alone 5nm.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Main points:

*Nvidia artificially limiting stock of founders cards to push up prices of AIB cards

*Founders coolers not cheap (as said before) but are good

*AMD will be bit slower or bit faster while likely not having as good RT performance, but less power usage.

 

[IvanDobskey]

If the 3070 isn't twice as fast as my 1070, I'm out.

 

[Troezar]

They were paid nuff said. They also used a test that gimped the 2080 because it was 1.5gb short of vram.

Those tests were nothing but a sales pitch, far from reality. In fact every word uttered officially has been the same.

People accuse me of catastrophising. I don't. I am just a realist who's been smelling sales bs for 40 years. And it's only gotten worse. Buy reviews, pay to make bad ones of bad products vanish etc.

And, never ever panic as a new thing is about to launch. Cos what you get is never what you're being sold.

This. I don't trust anything coming from someone selling me be something. Always do my own research, decide what I think I want to buy them wait a week and see if I still want to buy it. Hype can be a real wallet burner!

 

[Kaapstad]

Main points:

*Nvidia artificially limiting stock of founders cards to push up prices of AIB cards

*Founders coolers not cheap (as said before) but are good

*AMD will be bit slower or bit faster while likely not having as good RT performance, but less power usage.

I don't think he got much correct in the video it is all crazy speculation.

The only thing he is right about is Ampere cards will be in short supply at launch but that will be down to the very high demand and nothing else.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I don't think he got much correct in the video it is all crazy speculation.

The only thing he is right about is Ampere cards will be in short supply at launch but that will be down to the very high demand and nothing else.

What about the founders cards being good/expensive? Or is that BS also? Trying to figure out if they're better than some AIB cards but it's usually not the case

 

[Kaapstad]

What about the founders cards being good/expensive? Or is that BS also? Trying to figure out if they're better than some AIB cards but it's usually not the case

I do think the FE cooler is quite expensive but then so was the one on the FE Turing cards.

 

[Vogon]

Delay to NDA lift certainly smells fishy.
for those of us upgrading from a gtx1080 type performance, in FPS we know we are onto a winner.
I think it is pretty safe bet the RTX performance from the 2 series is improved a decent amount.
All I really need to know atm is noise and temp performance, and that's being held back until the last minute.. Grrrrrrrrrrr

Please someone leak some details

 

[random_matt]

Main points:

*Nvidia artificially limiting stock of founders cards to push up prices of AIB cards

*Founders coolers not cheap (as said before) but are good

*AMD will be bit slower or bit faster while likely not having as good RT performance, but less power usage.

He's not wrong, shady company as always. Seen the prices of the AIB cards, rip off.

 

[Troezar]

He's not wrong, shady company as always. Seen the prices of the AIB cards, rip off.

Shady whilst also being clever. A bit like the Gsync monitors. If you don't like their tactics you're still stuck in their ecosystem if you want to change brands. High demand is a weak excuse for poor supply. If it happens every launch you plan for it and get in enough stock to cover the expected sales. However, where would AIBs be if everyone could buy an FE at MSRP?

 

[Kaapstad]

He's not wrong, shady company as always. Seen the prices of the AIB cards, rip off.

Where is his proof?

NVidia leave a lot to be desired but one thing they are very consistent with is the pricing of their reference/FE cards, they don't tend to change very much over the life span of an architecture.

 

[Troezar]

Where is his proof?

NVidia leave a lot to be desired but one thing they are very consistent with is the pricing of their reference/FE cards, they don't tend to change very much over the life span of an architecture.

That's only good if you can actually buy them. No one will have direct evidence unless they were sat in the boardroom. However you know when you've been robbed, even if you didn't see the thief, when your wallet is missing

 

[Kaapstad]

That's only good if you can actually buy them. No one will have direct evidence unless they were sat in the boardroom. However you know when you've been robbed, even if you didn't see the thief, when your wallet is missing

The other thing NVidia are consistent with is yes they do run out of stock of their cards quickly but they also restock quickly.

Forget about expensive cooler conspiracies NVidia have already shown where they will be making a big margin and that is with the 3090, it uses the same GA102 chip as the 3080 yet it is nearly twice the price.

 

[Devrij]

tl;dw (salt shaker required)

• 60% improved perf/w with most of that from architecture, not process
  
  
• Not a 512 bit bus
  
  
• 128mb of 'infinity cache' to make up for lack of bandwidth
  
  
• No HBM on consumer cards
  
  
• Clocks speeds up to the 'console level', ie implies 2.3ghz
  
  
• 80CUs for top SKU
  
  
• 6700 - 3070 level
  
  
• 6800 - around 3080
  
  
• 6900 - faster than 3080 and may 'nip at the heels' of the 3090
  
  
• AMD considered undercutting NV but may price the same
  
  
• AMD are 'very competitive, this is not Vega 64'

Edit: Didn't say 256 bit bus, just that it's not 512.

Thanks!

 

[Adrian1976]

Ultimately we are entering the last hurrah of these kind of architectures. nVidia have a lot of places to go from here - they are barely leveraging the 7nm node let alone 5nm.

Which is why I don't think it is a good time to upgrade, while the press and all YouTubers are dribbling at the mouth, your up the creek without a paddle, rasterization is at it's limits so yes the future is RT but it's not ready yet so leaves 1080ti owners stuck because it won't do 4k60 in next year titles, so coming from blasting through everything at 1440p is a waste of money and time imo.

They've dropped a node now and it's done naff all for power consumption and performance but that's because it's the first drop, some people don't understand this, they think just because it's dropped a node it's matured already, no it isn't by a long shot.

I'm waiting to see if AMD brings anything around £800 bracket now for guaranteed 4k 60 for a couple of years at least.

3 1/2 years from Pascal and tbh it's disappointing to say the least.

 

[WesleyBurns]

Which is why I don't think it is a good time to upgrade, while the press and all YouTubers are dribbling at the mouth, your up the creek without a paddle, rasterization is at it's limits so yes the future is RT but it's not ready yet so leaves 1080ti owners stuck because it won't do 4k60 in next year titles, so coming from blasting through everything at 1440p is a waste of money and time imo.

They've dropped a node now and it's done naff all for power consumption and performance but that's because it's the first drop, some people don't understand this, they think just because it's dropped a node it's matured already, no it isn't by a long shot.

I'm waiting to see if AMD brings anything around £800 bracket now for guaranteed 4k 60 for a couple of years at least.

3 1/2 years from Pascal and tbh it's disappointing to say the least.

IMO: The 1080Ti was the best card to this point in time and was the very best of pascal. You didn’t need 2080 and 2080 ti stop gap (seriously tho the price of that 2080 ti, shocking!). The 3000 are good for the price and which is why I waited. All I know is when the core counts double now, they really do double. There are many many now.

 

[Troezar]

The other thing NVidia are consistent with is yes they do run out of stock of their cards quickly but they also restock quickly.

Forget about expensive cooler conspiracies NVidia have already shown where they will be making a big margin and that is with the 3090, it uses the same GA102 chip as the 3080 yet it is nearly twice the price.

Agreed, huge margins on the 3090 but I can't see the volume sales being there to generate enough revenue despite the margin. As with Intel I've always thought if they sold at a lower price they would sell to almost everyone and AMD would be out of business. Then again I'm not CEO of a multi billion dollar corporation so what would I know!