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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Dlss might interest me, but it’s hardly used and I prefer the artistic approaches to lighting over and above raytracing so I’m way more keen to see how the new cards compare on games without those features turned on.
 
rchads89 said:
No idea mate, I don't know / understand the problem in somebody confirming IF they have stock of them on the day or they indeed will be pre order and expected when? im not after stock numbers just so i know where i stand with that card. Surely stock now of 3080s is creeping on the shelves for thurs? cant be any later than tomorrow anyway.
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The point was that somebody said the overclocked AIB cards wont be available until after launch date, you can back with a link to the MSI oc card as almost trying to say he was wrong.

Hence my question. Nobody is saying oc cards dont exist, its whether the rumour that they wont be available on launch date is correct.

I personally suspect p[re oc cards based on reference boards will be available but the custom boards will eb later.
 
Greebo said:
The point was that somebody said the overclocked AIB cards wont be available until after launch date, you can back with a link to the MSI oc card as almost trying to say he was wrong.

Hence my question. Nobody is saying oc cards dont exist, its whether the rumour that they wont be available on launch date is correct.

I personally suspect p[re oc cards based on reference boards will be available but the custom boards will eb later.
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There are only one or two models based on reference, one being the EVGA XC3 which EVGA's Jacon Freeman said is based on the reference board but does have differences.

Therefore, perhaps slightly optimistically, I'm hoping for a wider range of AIBs being available at launch.

Was the launch for Turing this messy? With no confirmed prices, not all card models shown etc only days from launch?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I read somewhere that TSMC just didn't have the capacity for Nvidia. Apple are first in the queue for TSMC and takes between 20 - 25% of their output.
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I read it was because Nvidia was arguing about price or something and maybe between AMD and apple they don't have the capacity, but maybe that's Nvidias fault for being greedy or not ordering early enough, either way AMD is the real winner here with their chips in the consoles, to me it seems like both manufactures are afterthoughts in the sense that it's not where they make their biggest revenue hence Nvidias desperate attempt to gazump AMD before they release are releasing a card with such power requirements because they are pushing it to the extreme almost, be interesting to see the power requirements of the the AMD cards.

Nvidia are starting to remind me of intel 10+++++ lol times could be changing in the future.
 
Wrinkly said:
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.


Last 20% does mention the heat issue. Why are so few talking about this?
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Of course there's extra heat, it's a 320w card at stock the highest there's ever been.

The watt to performance ratio Jensen and his leather jacket were talking about is nonsense, we've gone from getting new gen cards requiring less power and more performance to almost the other way round, it simply tells you Nvidia is using brute force to push them hence the new coolers lol.
 
willhub said:
Why is samsung 8nm bad? (youtube blocked at work). Any TL;DR?
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- nvidia went with 8nm Samsung instead of 7nm TSMC to save some $
- TSMC is one step ahead of Samsung
- Samsung is not getting high speeds = nvidia had to create this power hungry monster with 2.5 times more cores to compensate the loss of speed
- nvidia overengineered their cooler= less money gained from sales and way more difficult for aib partners
- people underestimate heat generated by those cards, first to cool the card, second to get rid of the heat from the case and third heat in the room will be noticeable and annoying.
- if you don't increase the power with ampere, performance is not that great in comparison to prev gen. It will be difficult for laptops next year and nvidia where you can't just increase power

Not to mention...environment :p
 
Adrian1976 said:
Of course there's extra heat, it's a 320w card at stock the highest there's ever been.

The watt to performance ratio Jensen and his leather jacket were talking about is nonsense, we've gone from getting new gen cards requiring less power and more performance to almost the other way round, it simply tells you Nvidia is using brute force to push them hence the new coolers lol.
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Just to add with the extra power requirements after a few years maybe the card costs as much as a 2080ti :D
 
willhub said:
Why is samsung 8nm bad? (youtube blocked at work). Any TL;DR?
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Because for 30% over turing its using 30% more power so that means its barely any better than TSCM 12NM and the performance gains are just coming from the increased power budget.

Also if these cards are cranked right up out the box and there is very little overclocking headroom then the gap to an overclocked 2080ti could shrink considerably.
 
Joxeon said:
Because for 30% over turing its using 30% more power so that means its barely any better than TSCM 12NM and the performance gains are just coming from the increased power budget.

Also if these cards are cranked right up out the box and there is very little overclocking headroom then the gap to an overclocked 2080ti could shrink considerably.
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But these YouTubers are wrong saying it's a rebranded 2080ti lol, the mind boggles sometimes with some peoples thought process.
 
Wow just done a silly calculation 8760 hrs = 3 years 24/7 that's the 70w difference = £347.55 food for thought :D not that anyone ever takes any notice of power requirements.
 
trawetSluaP said:
There are only one or two models based on reference, one being the EVGA XC3 which EVGA's Jacon Freeman said is based on the reference board but does have differences.

Therefore, perhaps slightly optimistically, I'm hoping for a wider range of AIBs being available at launch.

Was the launch for Turing this messy? With no confirmed prices, not all card models shown etc only days from launch?
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I heard differently that almost every card available on launch IS a reference card. Custom boards will come later.

I cant believe only one or two manufacturer, esp with the base models, arent using the reference boards giving to them by Nvidia.

If true then makes it a minefield for waterblocks as all the waterblock manufacturers have only made blocks for "reference" and "FE" boards so far.
 
Adrian1976 said:
Wow just done a silly calculation 8760 hrs = 3 years 24/7 that's the 70w difference = £347.55 food for thought :D not that anyone ever takes any notice of power requirements.
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Miners dream - that'll mean gamers will be in competition with miners for sure. 70w more power but X2 hash rate...or was it 4x better?
 
willhub said:
Why is samsung 8nm bad? (youtube blocked at work). Any TL;DR?



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Will be hot to cool, hence the big coolers. Saving $25+ per die compared to 7nm, by using the Samsung 8nmbut at the cost of cooling. 3080 will be 320W+ and the 3090(aka this generations 2080Ti rebranded and more expensive) will be over 400W to cool, hence the massive cooler.

NVIDIA use the term "titan class performance" but can't use the titan branding this generation as the TDP is WELL in excess of the usual 250-280W that a normal titan would have been rated at. Titan power users would expect a 250-280W power draw, but this 3090 will be well over 400W so Nvidia have lost the titan type card this time around, yet they still make you THINK that it's a titan, just rebranded, by claiming "Titan class performance" sneaky.

3090 is really the 3080Ti, rebranded, with a higher price
 
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