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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Indeed. It's one of those situations where, if you see one thing wrong then all of a sudden you're on the look-out and see lots of other things wrong that were there before but you never noticed. For me the Vega reviews served as a great way to triage tech sites for which had a clue & which were pretending. Sadly very few made the cut. At the end of the day there's no substitute for thinking for yourself. Someone's always gonna try to sell you (on) something, and unlikely to your benefit.

Consumer user reviews are the key, but by that point the marketing scams they use by not releasing any info know by that point it's too late, Hence 1 day before release you'll see some benchmarks but again these are YouTubers that have had a card sent to them for free, some people forget this minor crucial detail and take anything that some of the regular YouTubers say as gospel, no matter what anyone says the truest info is the end user full stop.
 
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Where's the "cute pet" 3080 edition? That's what I want to know?
 
I think you're missing the point. It's not about the VRAM. The 3090 can be at most 20% faster than a 3080, and will likely be less, since even 20% would require perfect scaling of on-paper specs, which never happens. Let's look at the 2080 vs the 2080 Ti:

48% more CUDA cores
38% more ROPs
30% more SMs
352-bit vs 256-bit memory bus
Actual performance gain: 28% on average (at 4K, much less below)
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition/33.html

The 3090 has over the 3080:

21% more CUDA cores
17% more ROPs
21% more SMs
384-bit vs 320-bit memory bus
Actual performance gain: ???

The 3080 is relatively MUCH closer to the 3090 than the 2080 was to the 2080 Ti, and there was only a 30%-ish performance gap between those two. It's going to be a lot closer between the 3080 and 3090, because GPUs aren't magic and the specs are known. There's almost zero room for a 3080 Ti in the performance stack even as it stands, unless people are prepared to pay 50% more for 10% more performance. Then you add the existence of the 3080 20GB on top of that and you don't even the VRAM factor to differentiate it. That's the relevance VRAM has to the discussion - marketing. You could maybe sell a 10% faster 3080 Ti on the double VRAM. Maybe. But you can't do that if there's a 20GB 3080, which AIBs are saying privately that there is.

If and I do mean IF AMD deliver a card faster than the 3080 then Nvidia will release a 3080ti which might have 95% of more of caores/rops of the 3090 and sell it for less and £1000.

3090 sales would stop overnight but at least they would grab sales back from AMD.
 
Consumer user reviews are the key, but by that point the marketing scams they use by not releasing any info know by that point it's too late, Hence 1 day before release you'll see some benchmarks but again these are YouTubers that have had a card sent to them for free, some people forget this minor crucial detail and take anything that some of the regular YouTubers say as gospel, no matter what anyone says the truest info is the end user full stop.

Where's the advantage to a YouTuber in publishing knowingly bad data when they will be roasted as soon as consumers receive the cards and run the benchmarks themselves? Can you give me an example of where a YouTuber has deliberately published data that was proven to be wrong?
 
Consumer user reviews are the key, but by that point the marketing scams they use by not releasing any info know by that point it's too late, Hence 1 day before release you'll see some benchmarks but again these are YouTubers that have had a card sent to them for free, some people forget this minor crucial detail and take anything that some of the regular YouTubers say as gospel, no matter what anyone says the truest info is the end user full stop.
Yup, some of us are going to have to be guinea pigs. This time I offer myself because I'm just too eager but normally I would wait for user reviews on this forum tinkering with it, or keeping an eye on the AMD/Nvidia subreddits, as well as tech site reviews that I trust to be more relevant to my needs.
A big problem is that a lot of the sites & user just do the same things and they rarely catch issues in more uncommon scenarios, so you gotta know what to look for. For example RDNA had a lot of issues with DX9 games but it wasn't until a while into it that people started figuring it out as who really tests for it anymore? Same for other niche uses/features etc.
 
Where's the advantage to a YouTuber in publishing knowingly bad data when they will be roasted as soon as consumers receive the cards and run the benchmarks themselves? Can you give me an example of where a YouTuber has deliberately published data that was proven to be wrong?

No but I know I'd read from a script and twist stuff if I was getting a shiny new card for free, wouldn't you?
 
Yup, some of us are going to have to be guinea pigs. This time I offer myself because I'm just too eager but normally I would wait for user reviews on this forum tinkering with it, or keeping an eye on the AMD/Nvidia subreddits, as well as tech site reviews that I trust to be more relevant to my needs.
A big problem is that a lot of the sites & user just do the same things and they rarely catch issues in more uncommon scenarios, so you gotta know what to look for. For example RDNA had a lot of issues with DX9 games but it wasn't until a while into it that people started figuring it out as who really tests for it anymore? Same for other niche uses/features etc.

Agreed and to be honest the 1080ti I have is crap at dx12, who's fault is it? Nvidias for a crappy dx12 implementation or software developers that still can't seem to get a dx12 game stable, honestly I've had nothing but issues with dx12 and it runs slower to boot.

But yes the best info you can ever get and that goes for anything manufactured and that's the end user.
 
No but I know I'd read from a script and twist stuff if I was getting a shiny new card for free, wouldn't you?

I trust the most popular youtubers will give us a proper look at the card, they have built up too much of a reputation not too.

Wouldn't trust GamerxXxtreme69 with their 1.2k subscribers though.

Disappointed about Digital Foundry, but even they made it relatively clear it was a promo piece, most previews are (if you're willing to read between the lines)
 
If and I do mean IF AMD deliver a card faster than the 3080 then Nvidia will release a 3080ti which might have 95% of more of caores/rops of the 3090 and sell it for less and £1000.

3090 sales would stop overnight but at least they would grab sales back from AMD.

Thats assuming AMDs 3080 beater which would only be within 5~10% of a 3080ti isn't available for £600 as I can't see many paying £400 more for 5~10% more performance.
 
Nope, not if it means I'd potentially lose hundreds of thousands of pounds of income from a Youtube channel in the long run

That's the million dollar question with Nvidia partners, do they make themselves look stupid potentially at a later date or bend the truth as Nvidia has.
 
I trust the most popular youtubers will give us a proper look at the card, they have built up too much of a reputation not too.

Wouldn't trust GamerxXxtreme69 with their 1.2k subscribers though.

Disappointed about Digital Foundry, but even they made it relatively clear it was a promo piece, most previews are (if you're willing to read between the lines)

Digital foundry reminds of a BIG high street retailer I'm not going to mention.
 
Me instant need anythng to put waterblock on :)

Lol, yep those hideous cards tend to be sold to watercoolers.

1. they are most likely to be reference cards
2. They are most likely to be the cheapest cards
3. Because they are so pig ugly they are most likely to be in stock,.
 
Lol, yep those hideous cards tend to be sold to watercoolers.

1. they are most likely to be reference cards
2. They are most likely to be the cheapest cards
3. Because they are so pig ugly they are most likely to be in stock,.
ofc its FE then anything depends what can I buy haha
 
God damnit Nvidia. This launch is feeling like lies. You can bet my £1400 stays in my pocket if there aren't 50% gains in every single game at 4k over a heavily overclocked 2080ti. It sucks I bought a C9 Oled because it completely bans and blocks me technologically from anyone but Nvidia.
 
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