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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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A 16GB 3070 will not match a 10GB 3080 in performance, the 3080 is still quicker due to the higher specs. However, a 16GB 3070 may age quite well if it has 2080 Ti performance with better RT, and DLSS will allow it to play some games at 4k 60fps without running out of VRAM.
I think the more experienced members of the forum figured that buying a 10GB 3080 at launch without seeing what AMD's response was, would be a bad idea and lead to buyers remorse pretty quickly. I believe that we will see a very different tone in this thread at the end of October as the initial buyers of the 3080, who are for the moment of course happy, see their new cards age more rapidly in a month or two than even the 2080 non-Ti Turing did when the Supers were released 6 months later. Nvidia have purposefully saved the 20GB 3080 as a response to the ATI launch and it will inevitably be a punch in the gut to all launch day 10GB 3080 buyers.
The 20GB 3080 is also going to be a much better buy than the atrocious 3090 with its 12% performance uplift and I feel sorry for any poor misguided soul who purchases one of those for gaming expecting any significant improvements for double the money.
I would say that this launch has so far been Nvidias worst ever and is looking to get even sourer as the year progresses. AMD are likely sitting back with a smile on their face at this PR carnage.
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Soldato
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Have cancelled my netflix subscription since the entertainment thanks to this launch has me all set for the next few months!
Nvflix? Ampere Prime?
A 3070Ti may come very close though if they end up releasing one.
I don’t think there is much room for supers this time around there is very little spec and performance wise between the 3080 and the 3090 not really anywhere for a Ti to sit per say unless they half the memory. And even then that would render the 3090 useless as it is being marketed as a more gaming oriented card.
Possibly may see a refresh though as we know Samsung 8nm is rather garbage.
I think that the 20GB and 16GB VRAM versions are essentially similar in principle to Super versions even if they don't have higher clocks... they are improved versions of the original cards and purposefully being saved until only a short time after launch, one month or so. That is not nice to launch day owners who didn't have that option available and would likely otherwise have bought the best card they could.
A refresh to the far superior TMSC 7nm next year would imo be even more of a gut punch than a Super refresh of the inferior Samsung 8nm process.
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Looking at the launch schedule looks more like Micron napped on GDDR6X..
Unless they make a 3070Ti on GA102 (and I can't imagine yields are so bad they'd be salvaging cores with nearly half the SMs toast) not much more they can wring out of GA104 - ~4% uplift from full SMs and maybe another 5-15% if they stuck GDDR6X on there instead of GDDR6. Then again the Turing Supers aren't much more than that.
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Despite Nvidia screwing over their customers both retail sellers and end users by rushing a launch for seemingly competitive advantage. They have done us a favour by forcing us to patiently wait till they and their partners to have stock to actually sell, whilst in the meantime we get to compare AMD's offering.
I think Nvidia have put their partners and retail sellers in a difficult position for the time being.
I think Nvidia have put their partners and retail sellers in a difficult position for the time being.
Why?
Did you feel like nvidia **** on your face when they released a 2070S? Because the gap between the 2070S and 3080 will likely be similar. At best the gap will be the difference between 2080S and 2080Ti, but still you must have felt like they **** on your face when the 2080S come out?
I am not defending nvidia by the way, they **** on their customers face regularly and their customers love them even more for it. I still remember the 970 “4gb” fiasco. People were ****** off. Guess what they did? They returned their 970, gave nvidia even more money and got a 980! Hahahahaha.
I can imagine many of the AIBs are furious with nVidia but they don't really have much clout - would be too much like biting the hand that feeds.
I would imagine the 3080 will still perform better with the higher CUDA core count?
He comes over so clueless with some of his posts at times
What I don't understand about the leaks around the 16GB 3070 is this will kill sales of the 10GB 3080.
It will just be far better value to buy a 16GB 3070 than a 10GB 3080.
I'm thinking I should honestly cancel my order and wait it out. It's always better to buy when all players have played their hand.
And it's not like OcUK can fulfil my order anyway.
Also although the money isn't a problem for me splurging almost £700 on a GPU does make me feel a little bad. I love my gaming but £700 for a GPU!
I'm also only at 1440p so maybe a 3080 is just overkill.
Even the thought of a £450 Playstation 5 sounds nice.
Will it? the 3070 is going to be slower than a 3080 and the 16gb on the 3070 will only come good at higher res but then the card doesnt have the grunt for 4k.
plus with some AIB 8gb 3070 cards already more expensive than some 3080 cards, i can see the 3070 16gb costing more than the 3080 across the range. Are [people really going to buy the 20% slower 3070 for more money just cause its got 16gb?
If a 2080Ti has the grunt for 4k with worse RT performance than Ampere, then the 3070 will have the grunt to run at 4k with better RT performance and of course DLSS.
People have been gaming at 4k on a 2080 Ti for a while now.
Some clueless people will
3070 16gb needs to be £499 to be a good price, maximum £549. But then that is getting to close to £649 which is what I paid for my ASUS TUF. I would rather take the extra performance as by the time I need 16gb I will be on a next gen card.
Wow this launch is a total *********** from NV
The cards are overvolted and pushed to the max with no OC potential, rushed out with no stock availability just to get them out before AMD.
This just shows me NV is afraid of big Navi.
They could have brought sub 300W cards with only 5-10% less performance but for some reason they squeezed the last bit of performance from them with +50W power consumption.
NV basically made an old AMD card:
Lots on computing power but not utilized fully
Overvolted GPUs pushed to the max
No OC potential
Buggy drivers
The cards are overvolted and pushed to the max with no OC potential, rushed out with no stock availability just to get them out before AMD.
This just shows me NV is afraid of big Navi.
They could have brought sub 300W cards with only 5-10% less performance but for some reason they squeezed the last bit of performance from them with +50W power consumption.
NV basically made an old AMD card:
Lots on computing power but not utilized fully
Overvolted GPUs pushed to the max
No OC potential
Buggy drivers
Can it?
I've looked at the reviews and they managed between 10-50Mhz on the GPU getting 1.5-2.5% performance increase
That's not OC
Some clueless people will
3070 16gb needs to be £499 to be a good price, maximum £549. But then that is getting to close to £649 which is what I paid for my ASUS TUF. I would rather take the extra performance as by the time I need 16gb I will be on a next gen card.
there is already a 8gb 3070 for £729. No wy will 16gb 3070 be £499.