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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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Does anyone know if Zen3 motherboards will support PCIe 1x? The kind for soundcards
My current soundcard is a Xonar essence st which is PCI but thinking of getting a second hand Essense STX which is PCIe. There’s not much point if new motherboards don’t have the slot and will then need to look into a DAC.
For an upgrade i’ll need

Motherboard
CPU
RAM
Soundcard
Case

So everything excluding PSU, GPU & SSDs
 
Guest2 said:
Does anyone know if Zen3 motherboards will support PCIe 1x? The kind for soundcards
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Um...you can plug any PCIe card into any PCIe slot and it'll work. Hell, if you have x1 or x4 slots with open backs you can put a x16 card in and it'll still work (bandwidth dropping of course).

So all you need is a 2nd PCIe slot of any size sufficiently far away from your primary GPU slot.
 
Richdog said:
Use a little initiative and look at the B550/X570 specs and that will tell you what will be supported on Zen3 motherboards.
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How am i supposed to know they are called "B550 / X570" ?
I searched for Zen3 motherboards and found this page. https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...motherboards-for-upcoming-amd-ryzen-5000-cpus

Upgrades include a new 8+4 phase power delivery system, which matches some of Asus' mid-range B550 boards so it should be able to handle a 3950X without issue

The higher B450 boards like the STRIX could be a tough sell, however, with entry-level and mid-range B550 boards already under $150

It all comes down to PCI-E Gen 4.0 and how badly you need it, which is a big deal now with new Gen 4.0 capable graphics cards and NVMe SSDs growing in popularity. Availability for these boards is unknown at this time.
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Clear as mud. What is a high end B550 Zen 3 motherboard that supports PCI-E Gen 4.0?
 
alec said:
Not good. Means Zen 3 samples are not going around. Means it will take longer for reviews to appear and even longer for general availability
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There weren't many 3080 leaks during the NDA whilst reviewers had them in hand, let alone before the 'launch' press event.

It's quite possible that no Zen 3 have will be distributed until the 8th, then a week for delivery, a week for testing, NDA lifts, retail availability by the end of the month.
 
Richdog said:
Just go look at benchmarks. Air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 are in practical terms as good as (in the same performance range) many of the top AIO's, without the potentially PC-damaging downsides.

AIO's are mostly unnecessary unless you have a specific reason for needing them, imo.
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I actually swapped to a Noctua D15S after the pump in my Corsair H110i went.
Best decision for my workstation yet. Cooler, and significantly quieter than the old Corsair; never mind was less than half the price.
 
clv101 said:
There weren't many 3080 leaks during the NDA whilst reviewers had them in hand, let alone before the 'launch' press event.
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Yet we knew exactly how coolers looked, how power connectors work, how many processing units and how much memory it had. And that it was twice as fast as 2080 in Doom (which turned to be not entirely true, but I suspect the Zen3 CpuZ and AoTS leaks don't paint the whole picture either)
 
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*Not compatible with AMD Ryzen™ 5 3400G and Ryzen™ 3 3200G?
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They're not compatible with the G series - but you were asking about Zen 3?

They can still run 3100/3600/3700X/3900...

EDIT: Suggest making a spec me thread in the New To PC Forum - Clicky. This is an enthusiast thread and may lead to confusion - looking at some of the responses you've had in the past.
 
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Guest2 said:
Both say
*Not compatible with AMD Ryzen™ 5 3400G and Ryzen™ 3 3200G

Doesnt that mean they are not compatible with Ryzen 5 or is Zen 3 different to Ryzen 5 '3400G'?
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Those are Zen+ APU parts. Zen 2 CPUs are also 3xxx parts, APUs are 4xxx parts, and Zen 3 (we think) are going to be 5xxx parts.

Totally not confusing at all :)
 
And people moan about Intels naming conventions.

I thought that the B550 boards only had PCI-E 3 but it seems that they have partial PCI-E 4 capability?

Not clear to me why you would buy X570 over B550?
 
kevman said:
And people moan about Intels naming conventions.

I thought that the B550 boards only had PCI-E 3 but it seems that they have partial PCI-E 4 capability?

Not clear to me why you would buy X570 over B550?
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This is what I thought too. People making suggestions in an 'enthusiast thread' for people to buy a B550 board which reads to me as if they dont have full PCI-E 4 compatability. Maybe they should post in a new to PC forum themselves
 
kevman said:
I thought that the B550 boards only had PCI-E 3 but it seems that they have partial PCI-E 4 capability?
Not clear to me why you would buy X570 over B550?
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Thats the thing, its partial. At most you get a single M.2 Pcie4 x4 slot and a single Pcie4 x16 slot (which coul be split to two Pcie4 x8 on some motherboards).
All other slots will have to be Pcie3, and compete for bandwidth of Pcie3 x4. So a second video card or additional NVMe storage could be starved for bandwidth.

But for most use cases, B550 is perfectly fine
 
Guest2 said:
This is what I thought too. People making suggestions in an 'enthusiast thread' for people to buy a B550 board which reads to me as if they dont have full PCI-E 4 compatability. Maybe they should post in a new to PC forum themselves
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What?

I wasn't being sarcastic and answered your question - it was genuine advice:

Plec said:
They're not compatible with the G series - but you were asking about Zen 3?

They can still run 3100/3600/3700X/3900...

EDIT: Suggest making a spec me thread in the New To PC Forum - Clicky. This is an enthusiast thread and may lead to confusion - looking at some of the responses you've had in the past.
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You do not need an enthusiast board for zen 3 and gaming - a midrange B550 is more than enough for average user.
 
its nice this week there has been some really good pricing on the b550 range . prices coming down. not long not till AMD maybe for the first time in 15 years plus take back the crown of gaming ! :D

i can only imagine the AMD gurus on here with bottles of champagne at the ready :p
 
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